The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[BlueK]

Credit the more moderate dem candidates for getting out when they should. If this were the GOP primaries in 2016, they'd all still be fighting each other over a few dozen delegates here and there to help Bernie win.

[imanihonjin]

Credit the more moderate dem candidates for getting out when they should. If this were the GOP primaries in 2016, they'd all still be fighting each other over a few dozen delegates here and there to help Bernie win.

For sure. That is precisely why we ended up with Trump winning the primary in 16'.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I wonder how much the big jumps in the Dow the first trading day after the South Carolina Primary, and again the day after Super Tuesday, are attributable to optimism that Bernie might not be the nominee, Corornavirus is still the major source of concern, but I think expectations regarding the Bern are factor

No question about it. Bernie would be a disaster for the market.

I heard a great term for Bernie supporters: "The Talibern"

[SeattleUte]

I wonder how much the big jumps in the Dow the first trading day after the South Carolina Primary, and again the day after Super Tuesday, are attributable to optimism that Bernie might not be the nominee, Corornavirus is still the major source of concern, but I think expectations regarding the Bern are factor

Definitely.

[swampfrog]

Credit the more moderate dem candidates for getting out when they should. If this were the GOP primaries in 2016, they'd all still be fighting each other over a few dozen delegates here and there to help Bernie win.

Absolutely. I don't think it was just the candidates though, the timing seemed too synchronized. Credit the party on acting in its own behalf. I think many were worried the Democratic party was not going to mitigate the risk. It was recognized and acted upon.

[frank ryan]

My sister works as an official at one of the local polling places. She's one of those people who knows EVERYONE and wants to talk to EVERYONE - so when they're looking for people to run the polls, she signs up every year. I went in to vote instead of mailing it in, and she told me that there was a VERY large group of people requesting Dem ballots instead of GOP ones. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that many/most of them were voting for Bernie - with the belief that Trump has a better chance of beating him.

As for your "don't want to forfeit the governor's race" - did you even vote Frank? If you did, you'd know that this was a Presidential primary only. The governor primary election won't be until June. Caucuses are later this month, right? So anyone picking a Dem ballot over a GOP ballot would ONLY be voting to pick a presidential candidate. No one else even on the ballot.

Good lord man. Trump voters didn’t take Utah for Bernie. Why would Trump voters be more galvanized in a state where his support is more tepid than in places like the South? So I’m sorry I don’t buy the that take at all, and it’s

You’re right about the governors election being separate. My bad.

Mail in votes is where Bernie really cleaned up. Democrats are more motivated to vote in their primary than Republicans are to go and check a symbolic box for Trump. Occam’s razor is more in line with that.

One day the stars will align and you won’t disagree with every single post of mine.

[Eddie]

Good lord man. Trump voters didn’t take Utah for Bernie. Why would Trump voters be more galvanized in a state where his support is more tepid than in places like the South? So I’m sorry I don’t buy the that take at all, and it’s

You’re right about the governors election being separate. My bad.

Mail in votes is where Bernie really cleaned up. Democrats are more motivated to vote in their primary than Republicans are to go and check a symbolic box for Trump. Occam’s razor is more in line with that.

One day the stars will align and you won’t disagree with every single post of mine.

I've agreed with you before...I may not remember when...but I've agreed with you - I know I have!

I'm not saying that the only reason Bernie won is because Trump voters picked him. That isn't what I'm saying at all and I'm sorry if I implied that. I'm sure Bernie is a local favorite - it fits with my conversation with my favorite hardcore Utah Dem who said at their state convention a couple of years ago that the reason Dems keep losing in Utah is because they aren't liberal enough - and don't distinguish themselves enough from the GOP.

I am saying that according to someone at the polls, there were many many Republicans requesting Democrat ballots. And it wouldn't surprise me if he picked up some votes there as well.

On the other hand - it wouldn't surprise me if some Utahns took an approach closer to mine - of grabbing a Dem ballot because I wanted to give myself another option besides Trump or Bernie come November.

[wapiti]

I am saying that according to someone at the polls, there were many many Republicans requesting Democrat ballots. And it wouldn't surprise me if he picked up some votes there as well.

The ones I know who did this voted for Bloomberg or Biden. A Trumpian is unlikely to do that because they want the chance to vote for Trump. In the 2016 caucus Sanders got 66K votes. Yesterday in the primary he got 60K votes. Not really apples to apples when comparing a caucus with 2 candidates to a primary with many candidates. But even with a lot more voters in the primary, Sanders got fewer votes in Utah than he did 4 years ago. The bottom line is his 2016 support had a significant anti-Hillary component. That component is choosing another candidate this time around.

[SeattleUte]

Utah democrats fit the Bernie voter profile perfectly. White, relatively privileged, but nevertheless economically resentful, young. Seems to me that Exmos are almost 100% Bernie Sanders supporters (I'm one of the notable exceptions, loathing Sanders as I do, but I am a Utahn and left when I was a kid). The patriarchal culture probably still has inertia even among exmo couples, and Bernie's supporters are also more often male. This is one more way, in addition to drinking wine coolers and coffee, to show their rebellion, after economic resentment helped drive them from the LDS Church in the first place.

[Uncle Ted]

Utah democrats fit the Bernie voter profile perfectly. White, relatively privileged, but nevertheless economically resentful, young. Seems to me that Exmos are almost 100% Bernie Sanders supporters (I'm one of the notable exceptions, loathing Sanders as I do, but I am a Utahn and left when I was a kid). The patriarchal culture probably still has inertia even among exmo couples, and Bernie's supporters are also more often male. This is one more way, in addition to drinking wine coolers and coffee, to show their rebellion, after economic resentment helped drive them from the LDS Church in the first place.

You left Utah as a kid then went back to attend the UofU? WTF is wrong with you, man?

Yeah, I think you're right about the Utah Berners, however. Utah is full of those types. What a bunch of slackers.

[SeattleUte]

You left Utah as a kid then went back to attend the UofU? WTF is wrong with you, man?

Yeah, I think you're right about the Utah Berners, however. Utah is full of those types. What a bunch of slackers.

Left the LDS church when I was 23. I was a kid. Left Utah not long thereafter. -

[wuapinmon]

(cough)

Oh crap, coronavirus is hitting one of our own.

[falafel]

Oh crap, coronavirus is hitting one of our own.

Going to have to quarantine the Carolinas. See you guys in 3 weeks.

[BlueK]

If Trump were to lose in November, do the Republicans run him again in 2024 and every election thereafter until he either wins again or dies? It would be fascinating to observe the dynamics of the GOP if he were to lose. Pretty safe to say, I think, that Trump would not go quietly.

[imanihonjin]

Good lord man. Trump voters didn’t take Utah for Bernie. Why would Trump voters be more galvanized in a state where his support is more tepid than in places like the South? So I’m sorry I don’t buy the that take at all, and it’s

You’re right about the governors election being separate. My bad.

Mail in votes is where Bernie really cleaned up. Democrats are more motivated to vote in their primary than Republicans are to go and check a symbolic box for Trump. Occam’s razor is more in line with that.

One day the stars will align and you won’t disagree with every single post of mine.

So I am curious.....did you or did you not vote?