The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[Eddie]

Good lord man. Trump voters didn’t take Utah for Bernie. Why would Trump voters be more galvanized in a state where his support is more tepid than in places like the South? So I’m sorry I don’t buy the that take at all, and it’s

You’re right about the governors election being separate. My bad.

Mail in votes is where Bernie really cleaned up. Democrats are more motivated to vote in their primary than Republicans are to go and check a symbolic box for Trump. Occam’s razor is more in line with that.

One day the stars will align and you won’t disagree with every single post of mine.

I've agreed with you before...I may not remember when...but I've agreed with you - I know I have!

I'm not saying that the only reason Bernie won is because Trump voters picked him. That isn't what I'm saying at all and I'm sorry if I implied that. I'm sure Bernie is a local favorite - it fits with my conversation with my favorite hardcore Utah Dem who said at their state convention a couple of years ago that the reason Dems keep losing in Utah is because they aren't liberal enough - and don't distinguish themselves enough from the GOP.

I am saying that according to someone at the polls, there were many many Republicans requesting Democrat ballots. And it wouldn't surprise me if he picked up some votes there as well.

On the other hand - it wouldn't surprise me if some Utahns took an approach closer to mine - of grabbing a Dem ballot because I wanted to give myself another option besides Trump or Bernie come November.

[frank ryan]

My sister works as an official at one of the local polling places. She's one of those people who knows EVERYONE and wants to talk to EVERYONE - so when they're looking for people to run the polls, she signs up every year. I went in to vote instead of mailing it in, and she told me that there was a VERY large group of people requesting Dem ballots instead of GOP ones. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that many/most of them were voting for Bernie - with the belief that Trump has a better chance of beating him.

As for your "don't want to forfeit the governor's race" - did you even vote Frank? If you did, you'd know that this was a Presidential primary only. The governor primary election won't be until June. Caucuses are later this month, right? So anyone picking a Dem ballot over a GOP ballot would ONLY be voting to pick a presidential candidate. No one else even on the ballot.

Good lord man. Trump voters didn’t take Utah for Bernie. Why would Trump voters be more galvanized in a state where his support is more tepid than in places like the South? So I’m sorry I don’t buy the that take at all, and it’s

You’re right about the governors election being separate. My bad.

Mail in votes is where Bernie really cleaned up. Democrats are more motivated to vote in their primary than Republicans are to go and check a symbolic box for Trump. Occam’s razor is more in line with that.

One day the stars will align and you won’t disagree with every single post of mine.

[swampfrog]

Credit the more moderate dem candidates for getting out when they should. If this were the GOP primaries in 2016, they'd all still be fighting each other over a few dozen delegates here and there to help Bernie win.

Absolutely. I don't think it was just the candidates though, the timing seemed too synchronized. Credit the party on acting in its own behalf. I think many were worried the Democratic party was not going to mitigate the risk. It was recognized and acted upon.

[SeattleUte]

I wonder how much the big jumps in the Dow the first trading day after the South Carolina Primary, and again the day after Super Tuesday, are attributable to optimism that Bernie might not be the nominee, Corornavirus is still the major source of concern, but I think expectations regarding the Bern are factor

Definitely.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I wonder how much the big jumps in the Dow the first trading day after the South Carolina Primary, and again the day after Super Tuesday, are attributable to optimism that Bernie might not be the nominee, Corornavirus is still the major source of concern, but I think expectations regarding the Bern are factor

No question about it. Bernie would be a disaster for the market.

I heard a great term for Bernie supporters: "The Talibern"

[imanihonjin]

Credit the more moderate dem candidates for getting out when they should. If this were the GOP primaries in 2016, they'd all still be fighting each other over a few dozen delegates here and there to help Bernie win.

For sure. That is precisely why we ended up with Trump winning the primary in 16'.

[BlueK]

Credit the more moderate dem candidates for getting out when they should. If this were the GOP primaries in 2016, they'd all still be fighting each other over a few dozen delegates here and there to help Bernie win.

[imanihonjin]

My sister works as an official at one of the local polling places. She's one of those people who knows EVERYONE and wants to talk to EVERYONE - so when they're looking for people to run the polls, she signs up every year. I went in to vote instead of mailing it in, and she told me that there was a VERY large group of people requesting Dem ballots instead of GOP ones. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that many/most of them were voting for Bernie - with the belief that Trump has a better chance of beating him.

As for your "don't want to forfeit the governor's race" - did you even vote Frank? If you did, you'd know that this was a Presidential primary only. The governor primary election won't be until June. Caucuses are later this month, right? So anyone picking a Dem ballot over a GOP ballot would ONLY be voting to pick a presidential candidate. No one else even on the ballot.

frank Eddie

me

[Eddie]

Dammit we lost Mike!

I don't want him for my president - but I have to give him credit. I have liked the ads he's been running non-stop in Utah, for the most part. I love that they are touting things he has done, or wants to do, and aren't completely focused on simply attacking his opponents ideas. I prefer an election where both sides put forth their ideas and "we the people" are voting on which ideas to support and implement rather than when an election is based on who can fling the most mud at their opponent.

Now - I have to admit that while these people in Bloomberg's ads are talking about all of the great stuff he's done for them I can't help but think that they are paid actors telling a story rather than real people sharing real experiences. But I still appreciate the approach.

[Eddie]

Looks like Utah will be Biden's worst state.

Why the hell is Tulsi Gabbard still running? She keeps making appearances on Fox News.

Ton of Trump supporter but jobs voting for Bernie, no doubt.

Nah, see my above posts. I don't think there was a massive influx of Trump supporters that pushed Bernie through. He won by a lot. It's a primary year for GOP with gov's race etc, and I don't think they'd forefeit that.

Biden didn't com in second he was 3rd. Bernie got more than twice the votes Biden did.

Bloomberg needs to duck out of the race for Biden's sake.

My sister works as an official at one of the local polling places. She's one of those people who knows EVERYONE and wants to talk to EVERYONE - so when they're looking for people to run the polls, she signs up every year. I went in to vote instead of mailing it in, and she told me that there was a VERY large group of people requesting Dem ballots instead of GOP ones. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that many/most of them were voting for Bernie - with the belief that Trump has a better chance of beating him.

As for your "don't want to forfeit the governor's race" - did you even vote Frank? If you did, you'd know that this was a Presidential primary only. The governor primary election won't be until June. Caucuses are later this month, right? So anyone picking a Dem ballot over a GOP ballot would ONLY be voting to pick a presidential candidate. No one else even on the ballot.

[Lost Student]

With Bloomberg now out and with the states coming next, Bernie is pretty much done. He and Trump can start complaining now about how unfair it is.

March 10:
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
N. Dakota
Washington
Idaho

Bernie may still win those last three, but Biden will clean up in MI, MS, and MO and still probably pick up some delegates in the others.

March 17:
Arizona (Bernie might win)

Biden should easily win these:
Florida
Illinois
Ohio

Bernie killed Hillary in Idaho last time around 78%-21%. The Dem primary is semi-closed, so maybe I'll go cast a vote for creepy uncle Joe next week. The R primary is closed, so I'll have to choose one or the other.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I wonder how much the big jumps in the Dow the first trading day after the South Carolina Primary, and again the day after Super Tuesday, are attributable to optimism that Bernie might not be the nominee, Corornavirus is still the major source of concern, but I think expectations regarding the Bern are factor

[Uncle Ted]

With Bloomberg now out and with the states coming next, Bernie is pretty much done. He and Trump can start complaining now about how unfair it is.

March 10:
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
N. Dakota
Washington
Idaho

Bernie may still win those last three, but Biden will clean up in MI, MS, and MO and still probably pick up some delegates in the others.

March 17:
Arizona (Bernie might win)

Biden should easily win these:
Florida
Illinois
Ohio

I wonder if Bernie will make Liz his running mate... she is currently in 3rd in the overall delegate count.

[Uncle Ted]

Biden pulls ahead in Texas. Still not a safe lead.

Just goes to show you that Texas is much more sane place compared to some other places.

[Uncle Ted]

Nah, see my above posts. I don't think there was a massive influx of Trump supporters that pushed Bernie through. He won by a lot. It's a primary year for GOP with gov's race etc, and I don't think they'd forefeit that.

Biden didn't com in second he was 3rd. Bernie got more than twice the votes Biden did.

Bloomberg needs to duck out of the race for Biden's sake.

Damn, there must be a bunch of Drumpf supporters in California... Bernie is kicking Bidden butt there too.

I am guessing there are a lot of Mitt supporters that are feeling the Bern.