The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[imanihonjin]

Would still vote for Warren!

Of course her numbers don't work. Even Pelosi fired a shot across her bow today, saying she isn't a fan of medicare for all. But these are the primaries. The crazy shit gets flung now, and then the inevitable shift towards the center happens. Even if it doesn't, she will never get a strong enough democratic majority to enact everything she wants.

But in the abstract, maybe her hard left views gets the national needle to move more, as opposed to someone more centrist. We are just a few years out from electing Obama, who at the time represented a huge generational shift.

Not me. Warren and Sanders are the only two people who would make me vote for Trump.

[Northwestcoug]

Not me. Warren and Sanders are the only two people who would make me vote for Trump.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. The GOP needs a thorough house cleaning to get rid of all the Trump taint. Elect a socialist to be president and I guarantee the GOP will change.

[Donuthole]

Desperate times call for desperate measures. The GOP needs a thorough house cleaning to get rid of all the Trump taint. Elect a socialist to be president and I guarantee the GOP will change.

You don't think that will just make them go further right? I mean, I guess technically that is change. Have you considered that maybe the GOP elected a tyrant/facist/despot in hopes that the Dems would change? IMO, this attitude is a) 100% of what's wrong with American politics and a 2-party system, and b) 100% the reason Trump won. But go ahead. Trot Warren or Bernie out and watch Trump get 4 more years. Or do us all a favor and put of a candidate we can stomach. That's a pretty fucking low threshold, quite frankly.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You don't think that will just make them go further right? I mean, I guess technically that is change. Have you considered that maybe the GOP elected a tyrant/facist/despot in hopes that the Dems would change? IMO, this attitude is a) 100% of what's wrong with American politics and a 2-party system, and b) 100% the reason Trump won. But go ahead. Trot Warren or Bernie out and watch Trump get 4 more years. Or do us all a favor and put of a candidate we can stomach. That's a pretty fucking low threshold, quite frankly.

[Northwestcoug]

You don't think that will just make them go further right? I mean, I guess technically that is change. Have you considered that maybe the GOP elected a tyrant/facist/despot in hopes that the Dems would change? IMO, this attitude is a) 100% of what's wrong with American politics and a 2-party system, and b) 100% the reason Trump won. But go ahead. Trot Warren or Bernie out and watch Trump get 4 more years. Or do us all a favor and put of a candidate we can stomach. That's a pretty fucking low threshold, quite frankly.

Don't get me started on the 2 party system. I would love for the US to join the rest of the developed world and adopt a parliamentary democracy. I would also love a bunch of other things to change. But that's not happening anytime soon, so I'm just looking at ways to make the 2 party system a little better.

I think that if a socialist won with a bare majority your point would probably be right. Politics would just cycle again. I still think a lot of the national GOP leadership would be forced out if Trump lost in 2020, and that in and of itself would help change the party. But what I'm gunning for is a landslide win, a la Reagan in 1984. That would be an entirely different thing. A humiliating defeat including republican strongholds would force the GOP to change at all levels, from the primary and nomination process on up. Even throw in some superdelegates so another Trump run can be prevented.

Of course, this is just dreaming. There's not going to be a landslide. But I'll keep banging this drum. I'm the pinko commie, so I don't need to hold my nose that much when I vote anyone but Trump, but I still strongly believe we need (at least) two functioning national political parties. One has thoroughly debased itself and needs some time in the desert. Hopefully that would be enough to reform itself.

[YOhio]

You don't think that will just make them go further right? I mean, I guess technically that is change. Have you considered that maybe the GOP elected a tyrant/facist/despot in hopes that the Dems would change? IMO, this attitude is a) 100% of what's wrong with American politics and a 2-party system, and b) 100% the reason Trump won. But go ahead. Trot Warren or Bernie out and watch Trump get 4 more years. Or do us all a favor and put of a candidate we can stomach. That's a pretty fucking low threshold, quite frankly.

Yes. Excellent post, DH.

[Donuthole]

Don't get me started on the 2 party system. I would love for the US to join the rest of the developed world and adopt a parliamentary democracy. I would also love a bunch of other things to change. But that's not happening anytime soon, so I'm just looking at ways to make the 2 party system a little better.

I think that if a socialist won with a bare majority your point would probably be right. Politics would just cycle again. I still think a lot of the national GOP leadership would be forced out if Trump lost in 2020, and that in and of itself would help change the party. But what I'm gunning for is a landslide win, a la Reagan in 1984. That would be an entirely different thing. A humiliating defeat including republican strongholds would force the GOP to change at all levels, from the primary and nomination process on up. Even throw in some superdelegates so another Trump run can be prevented.

Of course, this is just dreaming. There's not going to be a landslide. But I'll keep banging this drum. I'm the pinko commie, so I don't need to hold my nose that much when I vote anyone but Trump, but I still strongly believe we need (at least) two functioning national political parties. One has thoroughly debased itself and needs some time in the desert. Hopefully that would be enough to reform itself.

Mirror bro. Look in a mirror. Both parties have debased themselves. But the one who just spent 4 years in the desert has a chance to reform itself and send the other to the desert.

[Northwestcoug]

Mirror bro. Look in a mirror. Both parties have debased themselves. But the one who just spent 4 years in the desert has a chance to reform itself and send the other to the desert.

Fine. Both parties are corrupt. But one is currently much worse. It's leader is generationally bad and immoral. The other party might nominate buffoons, but it's been a while since it had someone as so immoral as Trump at its head.

[imanihonjin]

Desperate times call for desperate measures. The GOP needs a thorough house cleaning to get rid of all the Trump taint. Elect a socialist to be president and I guarantee the GOP will change.

You have far too much faith in politicians. The democrats insistence on trying to rig the election for Hillary resulted in Trump's election. Did they learn their lesson and moderate to win elections. Hell no they didn't, they double, tripled, nay, even quadrupled down and have put forth the crazies from their party and are set to lose another election in 2020.

What in the world makes you think that losing in 2020 will help the republican party shape up at all?

[Flystripper]

Mirror bro. Look in a mirror. Both parties have debased themselves. But the one who just spent 4 years in the desert has a chance to reform itself and send the other to the desert.

this. so much this. Trump would get obliterated if the left could swallow a moderate candidate. They don't even have to be truly moderate they just need not be nearly communist.

[Northwestcoug]

You have far too much faith in politicians. The democrats insistence on trying to rig the election for Hillary resulted in Trump's election. Did they learn their lesson and moderate to win elections. Hell no they didn't, they double, tripled, nay, even quadrupled down and have put forth the crazies from their party and are set to lose another election in 2020.

What in the world makes you think that losing in 2020 will help the republican party shape up at all?

I have no faith in politicians.

I'm just looking for quick ways to erase the very memory of Trump being a national leader. I know what I'm saying is much more wishful than practical, but I just came off a swish in the world series thread. So don't be too surprised if even a socialist pulls it off in 2020!

But let me ask you this: other than a crushing defeat, what makes you think the republicans will change their current status as Trump's party? Certainly not another narrow win.

[Donuthole]

But let me ask you this: other than a crushing defeat, what makes you think the republicans will change their current status as Trump's party? Certainly not another narrow win.

You know what 100% guaranteed will not make the GOP change their current status as Trump's party? A Trump 2020 win. Focus on that for now, and figure out the rest later.

[Moliere]

Who are you comes out of the primaries the winner? I know you don’t like Trump, and you don’t like Bernie. Would you would consider Biden? If Warren or Sanders wins, whom do you vote for? The dem or Trump?

If Bernie or Warren get the nom, I’m voting for Trump. It would be a protest vote.

[imanihonjin]

I have no faith in politicians.

I'm just looking for quick ways to erase the very memory of Trump being a national leader. I know what I'm saying is much more wishful than practical, but I just came off a swish in the world series thread. So don't be too surprised if even a socialist pulls it off in 2020!

But let me ask you this: other than a crushing defeat, what makes you think the republicans will change their current status as Trump's party? Certainly not another narrow win.

Nothing. They aren't going to change just as the Democrats have shown.

[Northwestcoug]

You know what 100% guaranteed will not make the GOP change their current status as Trump's party? A Trump 2020 win. Focus on that for now, and figure out the rest later.

If that happens, then a crushing GOP defeat in 2024 will do the trick. I just want it to happen now. All I need is for you, Moli, Iman, and a few million others to hold their noses and vote for the socialist (if him or her survives the primaries). It can be done!

But seriously, yes, a more electable democrat in 2020 does make it easier. My wish for a socialist to win the election would just make a Trump defeat extra delicious.