On abortion

[SeattleUte]

Some of these crazy states (eg, Texas) are making it illegal to send the morning after pill thru the mail. The thing Roe was good for was that it kept the crazy states (eg, Texas) in check on their crazy. Now there will be a proliferation of cruel bills that are just to score political points.

Texas can't stop heroin. It won't stop the morning after pill.

[Applejack]

Texas can't stop heroin. It won't stop the morning after pill.

They haven't tried allowing bounty hunters (ie lawyers) to punish heroin users; they are going to try bounty hunters on abortion.

[Northwestcoug]

If you are OK with abortions for any reason, you might want to be a little more circumspect about labelling your idealogical opponents as "morally reprehensible".

Well if you’re not ok with abortions to protect the health of a woman, then you’re morally reprehensible. See how easy that is?

cmon dude. You’re usually better at framing other peoples’ arguments than this. I trust your personal thoughts on abortion or more nuanced than what you are trying to frame mine as. I’ve done my best trying to frame mine, on my phone while in the back of a car. Care to tell us what abortions are ok in your world?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Well if you’re not ok with abortions to protect the health of a woman, then you’re morally reprehensible. See how easy that is?

cmon dude. You’re usually better at framing other peoples’ arguments than this. I trust your personal thoughts on abortion or more nuanced than what you are trying to frame mine as. I’ve done my best trying to frame mine, on my phone while in the back of a car. Care to tell us what abortions are ok in your world?

Wait a minute. I haven't called anyone "morally reprehensible". I am just attempting to illustrate that it is isn't nearly as simple as you are implying when it comes to identifying the good guys vs the bad guys in this case.

Like the majority of americans, I believe there should be some limits on abortion.

[Northwestcoug]

Wait a minute. I haven't called anyone "morally reprehensible". I am just attempting to illustrate that it is isn't nearly as simple as you are implying when it comes to identifying the good guys vs the bad guys in this case.

Like the majority of americans, I believe there should be some limits on abortion.

You’ve completely misread my posts. Nowhere have I said it is simple. There is no ‘good’ or ‘bad’ in this argument, just less good or more bad. Although I favor more abortion rights than you, I am fully aware and empathetic to those whose morals are different than mine. It is a moral spectrum, and I shared what I think are instances that are more on the ‘reprehensible’ side of that spectrum than others. Your reprehensible trigger is different than mine.

[Uncle Ted]

Like the majority of americans, I believe there should be some limits on abortion.

Yeah, like abortions only for babies that will grow up to be pro-choicers... They wouldn't object to being aborted.

[All-American]

Wait a minute. I haven't called anyone "morally reprehensible".

But you've thought it. Don't lie.

[Uncle Ted]

Y'all remember When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade?...

When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade

It was a new era in Washington in 1981, and abortion rights activists were terrified.

With an anti-abortion president, Ronald Reagan, in power and Republicans controlling the Senate for the first time in decades, social conservatives pushed for a constitutional amendment to allow individual states to overturn Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that had made abortion legal nationwide several years earlier.

The amendment — which the National Abortion Rights Action League called “the most devastating attack yet on abortion rights” — cleared a key hurdle in the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 1982. Support came not only from Republicans but from a 39-year-old, second-term Democrat: Joseph R. Biden Jr.

“I’m probably a victim, or a product, however you want to phrase it, of my background,” Mr. Biden, a Roman Catholic, said at the time. The decision, he said, was “the single most difficult vote I’ve cast as a U.S. senator.”
[...]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/u...on-rights.html

Yeah, I don't think Grandpa Joe remembers either.

[Northwestcoug]

A lot of the GOP will be ardent states’-rights champions until roe v wade is overturned. Then they will immediately convert back to federal power, baby:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...t-mississippi/

get used to the culture wars. On both sides.

[Jeff Lebowski]

A lot of the GOP will be ardent states’-rights champions until roe v wade is overturned. Then they will immediately convert back to federal power, baby:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...t-mississippi/

get used to the culture wars. On both sides.

Seems like a scaremongering article. Lots of that from WaPo today.

[Uncle Ted]

Why has Moloch turned his back on his worshippers?...

After Chanting All Night, Crowd Of Worshippers Still Can't Get Moloch To Answer Them

After gathering at the steps of the Supreme Court and chanting all through the night in support of abortion, a crowd of worshippers are still having a hard time getting their pagan god Moloch to hear them.

"We've chanted, and danced, and even cut ourselves with knives, but still, Moloch is silent," said protest leader and male feminist Skeeve Rapenburg. "Why does he not hear? Why won't he send down fire from the sky and consume this infernal SCOTUS building? MOLOCH! HEAR US!"

Sources at the scene have suggested that Moloch may possibly be on vacation, sitting on the toilet with terrible diarrhea, or binging the latest season of My Little Pony on Netflix. To get the attention of the ancient god of child blood sacrifice, the protestors will have to resort to even more extreme attention-seeking methods, such as arson or screaming into the camera in a TikTok video.

"We will not rest until the great Moloch hears us," shouted Rapenburg, banging his drums even louder.

At publishing time, the crowd was discussing the possibility of sacrificing a beautiful virgin to get the god's attention but failed to do so after being unable to find any virgins.

https://babylonbee.com/news/after-ch...to-answer-them

[Northwestcoug]

Seems like a scaremongering article. Lots of that from WaPo today.

Its not a stretch to see how this group of six senators will drive primaries and policy decisions in the near future. It doesn’t matter if they ever succeed in criminalizing abortion for the nation. Do you think that the more conservative faction of the GOP, which already plays too big of a role, is going to be content with leaving abortion to the states? There’s already official talk on how to criminalize interstate travel for abortion. Again, doesn’t matter if it succeeds or not. The policy discussions will be dominated with how to restrict abortion further.

[USUC]

Seems like a scaremongering article. Lots of that from WaPo today.

The media class is so extreme on this issue compared to the general population. The takes across the board have been really over the top and hysterical. Hypotheticals being presented as eventualities. It's been really bad.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The media class is so extreme on this issue compared to the general population. The takes across the board have been really over the top and hysterical. Hypotheticals being presented as eventualities. It's been really bad.

Yeah, twitter is unbearable right now.

Get a load of this breathless pile of hyperbole:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rights/629748/

[Non Sequitur]

What I'm saying is that I don't believe conservatives value the lives that are being aborted now and won't be still aborted if Roe is overturned. That is the very irony I'm raising.

So don's sanctity of life me, Reverend.

I don't buy the sanctity of life bullshit either. How much do conservatives really care about these fetuses after they are forcibly realized? I say let's constitute a national program where woman who must endure unwanted pregnancies have all pre-natal care payed for by the State and then at birth are able to turn the child over to the care of the State. I'm sure the State could find ample groups, such as Focus on the Family, who would be eager to use their generously donated funds to to support these sanctified lives in perpetuity.