On abortion

[Eddie]

Yeah, twitter is unbearable right now.

Get a load of this breathless pile of hyperbole:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rights/629748/

If you are an American with a young daughter, she will grow up in a world without the right to choose when and where she gives birth, and in which nothing restrains a state from declaring her womb its property, with all the invasive authorities that implies.

So - the state is going to tell my daughter when she can get pregnant? The state is going to determine which hospital she has to give birth at? And before scheduling a c-section or pitocin drip she's going to have to check with the state legislature for their approval? Are they going to give some kind of labor inhibitor to women who are pregnant to keep them from going into labor and giving birth prior to receiving authorization?

That statement isn't hyperbolic at all.

[fusnik]

This is where democrats are so dumb, just draft a law that says:

abortion ok - rape, incest, health of mother, the gene that causes downs or whatever it’s called, pre 15 weeks

For these ‘concessions’ you negotiate that - condoms, std checks, birth control and tampons are free and real sex Ed is taught in school

It’s where like 70% of people sit. Make the GOP seem extreme and have to defend when Matt Gaetz and Madison Cawthorne craft a law that calls for the death penalty for women who get an abortion.

[Moliere]

I don't buy the sanctity of life bullshit either. How much do conservatives really care about these fetuses after they are forcibly realized? I say let's constitute a national program where woman who must endure unwanted pregnancies have all pre-natal care payed for by the State and then at birth are able to turn the child over to the care of the State. I'm sure the State could find ample groups, such as Focus on the Family, who would be eager to use their generously donated funds to to support these sanctified lives in perpetuity.

In my small group of acquaintances, the answer to this is "a lot", they care a lot about them. In fact, they care as much as liberals.

[All-American]

This is where democrats are so dumb, just draft a law that says:

abortion ok - rape, incest, health of mother, the gene that causes downs or whatever it’s called, pre 15 weeks

For these ‘concessions’ you negotiate that - condoms, std checks, birth control and tampons are free and real sex Ed is taught in school

It’s where like 70% of people sit. Make the GOP seem extreme and have to defend when Matt Gaetz and Madison Cawthorne craft a law that calls for the death penalty for women who get an abortion.

I sort of doubt politicians really care about the issue per se; they care about getting their base riled up.

[USUC]

Yeah, twitter is unbearable right now.

Get a load of this breathless pile of hyperbole:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rights/629748/

That opening paragraph is a perfect example. Also makes the tired argument by partisans on both sides that they "are losing because they haven't fought brutally like the other side." This thinking got us Trump even though the GOP had plenty of significant wins to that point.

[Non Sequitur]

In my small group of acquaintances, the answer to this is "a lot", they care a lot about them. In fact, they care as much as liberals.

I hope you're right, but I've heard a lot more rhetoric around preventing abortions than I have about what we do with the all the children of unwanted pregnancies.

[falafel]

I hope you're right, but I've heard a lot more rhetoric around preventing abortions than I have about what we do with the all the children of unwanted pregnancies.

Well, we have a lot of systems already built up around that, so maybe that's why you don't hear much about it. Adoption, foster care, etc. Its not like those are new problems, society has been grappling with them for ages.

[Northwestcoug]

I sort of doubt politicians really care about the issue per se; they care about getting their base riled up.

Absolutely. And they’ve become very good at it.

[beefytee]

I don't buy the sanctity of life bullshit either. How much do conservatives really care about these fetuses after they are forcibly realized? I say let's constitute a national program where woman who must endure unwanted pregnancies have all pre-natal care payed for by the State and then at birth are able to turn the child over to the care of the State. I'm sure the State could find ample groups, such as Focus on the Family, who would be eager to use their generously donated funds to to support these sanctified lives in perpetuity.

That sounds pretty good to me. I don't know that Focus on the Family does much with it, but I know there are non-profit pro-life groups that do try to provide services like this. I would love to see those services grow and improve.

This frontline episode talks about one such group at about the 32nd minute mark. It is a good episode in general.

FRONTLINE | The Abortion Divide | Season 2019 | Episode 7 | PBS

[Jeff Lebowski]

Heaven help us, it is going to be absolute chaos with all those babies. Just like western Europe.

[Moliere]

Heaven help us, it is going to be absolute chaos with all those babies. Just like western Europe.

Or as SU would put it, black babies and poor babies.

[Non Sequitur]

That sounds pretty good to me. I don't know that Focus on the Family does much with it, but I know there are non-profit pro-life groups that do try to provide services like this. I would love to see those services grow and improve.

This frontline episode talks about one such group at about the 32nd minute mark. It is a good episode in general.

FRONTLINE | The Abortion Divide | Season 2019 | Episode 7 | PBS

I listened starting at the 32 minute mark. They had me until they said they provide free pregnancy testing but do not provide contraception, because they don't want to encourage promiscuity.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This guy that many of you think "is not a serious candidate" seems to have a very rational response.

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[Uncle Ted]

Yeah, twitter is unbearable right now.

Twitter is pure gold right now...

Burn baby, burn!

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Time for an insurrection!

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Let the looting begin!

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Hail to the leaker!

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[Non Sequitur]

This guy that many of you think "is not a serious candidate" seems to have a very rational response.

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Very well said. I'd love to hear what the serious Mike Lee has to say.