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They are well on their way to getting a South Korean-like education."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
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If it were the NBA, we'd be 3rd team NBA. It's alright, but not really brag worthy.Originally posted by smokymountainrain View PostComment
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Yes, but you don't want him to develop a crappy shooting motion from the FT line.Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.Comment
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Yeah, there is that performance problem. Of course, that is when the youngsters need to move on to use anonymous functions (aka. "blocks") and Grand Central Dispatch in a C language variant built for speed.Originally posted by pelagius View Post"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
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I don't believe that education problems in America are a function of dollars spent.
The problem is that kids aren't taught to think critically. This is also the problem with science education in America. To the average kid, science class is about learning random trivia when it should be a subject where kids actually learn how to think about what it really means for something to be true and to design experiments that actually answer questions.That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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I agree. I think it's at least partially a product of teaching towards basic competency tests.Originally posted by SoonerCoug View PostComment
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I don't believe that education problems in America are a function of dollars spent. <br />
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The problem is that kids aren't taught to think critically. This is also the problem with science education in America. To the average kid, science class is about learning random trivia when it should be a subject where kids actually learn how to think about what it really means for something to be true and to design experiments that actually answer questions.<br/>
I can't speak globally but I believe you are. Addressing a false belief. The US spends the most per student in the world.
It is about the lack of commitment by educators students and parents. That triad is failing.
Students dont work hard enough to acquire enough basic knowledge from which to learn to think critically.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.Comment
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I don't think there is a kid in Japan that can think critically.Comment
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????Originally posted by splitbamboo View PostThat which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens
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Japan's high on the list. But the focus is on book learning. I agree with Topper that kids don't learn critical thinking but I think they learn much more in the US than countries like Japan.Comment
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I interact in a work setting with people from several of the countries that are beating us and I'll admit they are every bit as good as us at critical thinking and problem solving. Not sure I'd put Russia that high, but Singapore, UK, Canada, the Netherlands, and Germany don't seem out of place based on my anecdotal experience.
The US isn't doing poorly, it could just do better. I'll agree with Sooner that kids need to be taught more to think critically, but it also seems they are moving in that direction at least based on the type of work my kids bring home from school. A lot of the changes in the schools is upsetting conservative parents (see the Common Core math stuff the TEA Party supporters post on FB) but most of those changes are geared towards helping kids understand why things are done and not just how to do them."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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The real problem is the collective effort of all concerned, students, parents, and teachers. As we all know, there are some fantastic students out there, some amazing teachers and plenty of parents who care. These are the students who excel. However, there also seem to be currents fighting improvement.Originally posted by Moliere View Post
Students who want to get by with the minimum. Teachers who are counting the days until retirement, and absentee parents. We have the ability and tradition to teach the students sufficient data as well as the means to analyze and to think critically. It's just that not enough students are doing it for us to keep our economic place in the world."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.Comment
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<rant>In the late 1950's, politicians began demanding accountability from educational dollars spent. Over the next decade, they tied funding to accreditation. Infused with power and money, the non-elected accrediting bodies became emboldened by their fiat and started requiring that things be done a certain way to equalize what was learned everywhere. In February of 1985, the leading accrediting body, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) began enforcing "assessments" on schools that wanted accreditation. SACS is run by pedagogues and the fruits of their labors are literal pedagoguery. Thirty years since assessments (making sure you're getting the results you want from a course) have turned education into a series of Stalinist Five Year Plans, "Students WILL know how to X" at the completion of this course. It all sounds good on paper, but the offspring of the policies are standardized tests and teaching to the tests.
If you want to improve education in this country, uncouple federal and state funding from accreditation (or redo what it means to be accredited). Take the power away from the pedagogues. I find it fascinating that we let unelected accrediting bodies control our national educational policies. They put into place their theories over the last fifty years and education has declined greatly in public schools since we entrusted them with making sure our tax dollars are well spent. They are not.
14th is great. If you got rid of required curriculums and state standards and all that other bullshit, you'd have smarter people going into teaching, you'd lose probably 1-2 positions per school ($$$$ spent on making sure assessments and standards are completed and met), and allow classes like ethics, civics, free enterprise, and other topics that are no longer taught to reappear.
Education is a massive business, and the pedagogues are pimps for the politicians and textbook companies.
</rant>"Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --SolonComment
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