Strange shooting by ranger outside

[Topper]

You said you lived by him, you say you live in South Carolina. So I can only go by the information you post. I'm inferring from your post that you don't live in South Carolina and were/are a liar, and instead live on your bike at random locations in America. If that is the case it is very coincidental that Dwight didn't know you and had never noticed you before, since he must also live on a bike, near you, in random locations across America.

I have many residences. One is by him. And in a cosmic sense, anywhere on earth is nearby.

[imanihonjin]

Procedure or not, leaving the doors open with loaded weapons inside played a large part in his death. Also, the cop who exited that vehicle had his sidearm with him, and he used it, apparently. Cops are trained to deal with situations like this one. Though the details are difficult to see on the film, that many men should be able to subdue an unarmed man without seriously risking their lives and limbs. If you are the long arm of the Leviathan, you are allowed and even expected to use violence, since you have been given a legal monopoly on its use, to subdue and arrest those who would violate the peace and law with violence. It is an occupational hazard. I don't think it's fair to the People that a civilian was killed because these officers could not subdue him. Their reluctance to arrest him should not have cost him his life, even if he stupidly meant to do them harm. I never ever give the people in power a pass when it concerns violence. Three men shooting at someone multiple times at point-blank range merits a thorough and honest explanation to the citizenry.

This is nonsense. Lets suppose for a moment that the cops did make a mistake and should have been able to subdue the dude and failed at doing so, despite trying. The guy got in the car and was reaching for a gun.....what should they have done at that moment? It is too bad that at that point they had to use force, but given the situation that they were unable to subdue him and that the guy had access to a gun after being physically violent, I am not sure what else you want the police to do at that point in time.

[wuapinmon]

Sorry. That is crazy talk. The guy resisted arrest for five minutes and then jumped in a cop car. Any cop in America would (and should) shoot in that circumstance.

Super easy to second guess in hindsight. Leaving the door open makes no difference as he could have easily opened it in a split second. And I can think of lots of reasons why a cop wouldn't want to lock his car in a situation like that.

The weapon would have been locked in place in the NHP vehicle (or should have been). If he followed procedures, there would've been no round chambered. The deceased was detained at first for trying to flag down motorists while he was walking on the highway. I can't find an NHP manual online, but I did find the BLM's. I imagine that the NHP has a similar rule because it seems foolhardy to ever walk away from a police vehicle without securing it.

When deadly force is used, the standards have to be far higher than for other instances involving the legitimate use of violence.

Department of the Interior
Departmental Manual
Effective Date: 10/4/00
Series: Law Enforcement and Security
Part 446: Law Enforcement
Chapter 10: Firearms and Other Defensive Equipment

446 DM10
D. Each law enforcement officer shall report the loss of any firearm and/or other defensive equipment as soon as possible. Each law enforcement officer is responsible for ensuring the security of his/her assigned firearm and other defensive equipment while on or off duty. All defensive equipment should be afforded the same degree of security as the firearm. Any law enforcement officer who loses any equipment or issued property of any type through carelessness may be deemed guilty of negligence.

An official inquiry by an outside investigator should be standard when deadly force is used. Perhaps there are other reasons unknown to the viewer of the film. But, from the evidence at hand, this man appears to have died due to his own recklessness in the face of deadly force mixed with carelessness in not locking the door.

[Bo Diddley]

You guys condemning the cops sure must be able to see what's going on better than me. I didn't get much out of that video. It's too far away to capture the dynamics of the incident. I'd need a lot more evidence to weigh in on this one.

[FN Phat]

You guys condemning the cops sure must be able to see what's going on better than me. I didn't get much out of that video. It's too far away to capture the dynamics of the incident. I'd need a lot more evidence to weigh in on this one.

That is because you are not educated in Latin!

[old_gregg]

You guys condemning the cops sure must be able to see what's going on better than me. I didn't get much out of that video. It's too far away to capture the dynamics of the incident. I'd need a lot more evidence to weigh in on this one.

yep. it's impossible to pass judgment in hindsight and out of danger. asking him nicely wasn't working and he received what he should have expected to receive as a result.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I have many residences. One is by him. And in a cosmic sense, anywhere on earth is nearby.

Sweet, I have many residences too!

[dabrockster]

The weapon would have been locked in place in the NHP vehicle (or should have been). If he followed procedures, there would've been no round chambered. The deceased was detained at first for trying to flag down motorists while he was walking on the highway. I can't find an NHP manual online, but I did find the BLM's. I imagine that the NHP has a similar rule because it seems foolhardy to ever walk away from a police vehicle without securing it.

When deadly force is used, the standards have to be far higher than for other instances involving the legitimate use of violence.



An official inquiry by an outside investigator should be standard when deadly force is used. Perhaps there are other reasons unknown to the viewer of the film. But, from the evidence at hand, this man appears to have died due to his own recklessness in the face of deadly force mixed with carelessness in not locking the door.

It seems to me that you are quoting the rule in regards to loss of firearm and securing firearm. How can you say having his weapon in a cop car in it proper place is not considered secure? The man "Jumped" into a cop car and began to reach for a weapon. What is the expectation at this point? Seems like a pretty "end game" result by the individual. Unfortunately..


The loss of life here is terrible but I cannot fault the cops for what took place. In any crisis situation where a police officer is in need of assistance, I have yet to see the cop, get out of his car, lock the door and then proceed to help the other officers. I have seen them quickly jump out run to the situation and assist. You cannot play armchair QB in these situations and then lay blame for this type of request.