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  • An economic solution to California's drought... Tax organic products:

    How will taxing organic products help to conserve water? The answer is that organic agriculture uses more of critical inputs — labor, land, and water — than conventional agriculture. Taxation would reduce the demand for water-wasting organic products relative to non-organic alternatives, and thereby reduce some of the pressure on California’s dwindling water supplies.

    Consider the inefficiency of organic agriculture. A 30-year side-by-side trial comparing yields per acre of organic versus conventional practices by the Rodale Institute (whose motto is, “organic pioneers since 1947”) contends that organic and conventional plots produce equal yields. But at the 20-year point of the Rodale study, Alex Avery, the director of research and education at the Hudson Institute’s Center for Global Food Issues, used Rodale’s own data to impeach that claim. His analysis concluded that conventional agriculture beat organic handily in “total system yields” (by 30 percent), nitrogen efficiency (by 60 percent), and labor (by 35 percent).

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) 2008 Organic Production Survey of all 14,450 organic farms in the United States, covering a combined 4.1 million acres, found that organic corn yields are 30 percent lower than conventional corn yields; organic rice yields, 41 percent lower than conventional rice yields; organic spring wheat, 53 percent lower; organic tangerines, 48 percent lower; and organic lettuce, 70 percent lower.

    Organic agriculture is particularly insidious because it bans the cultivation of crop varieties crafted with molecular genetic-modification techniques, which are particularly relevant during droughts. Not only do genetically engineered crops offer higher yields with less use of insecticides, but they can be crafted to withstand droughts, and to be irrigable with lower-quality (such as brackish) water. For example, a decade ago Egyptian researchers showed that transferring a single gene from barley to wheat allows the wheat to get by with only one-eighth as much irrigation as conventional wheat, surviving on meager rainfall alone. Similar genetic modification has created drought-tolerant corn varieties, and more crops are in the pipeline.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rry-l-anderson


    That genetically modified food may make you fat or give you cancer but think what you will be doing for the environment.
    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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    • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
      An economic solution to California's drought... Tax organic products:


      http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rry-l-anderson


      That genetically modified food may make you fat or give you cancer but think what you will be doing for the environment.


      I am all for this. Organic food industry is a scam.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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      • This is a good essay on the "farms vs cities" water debate.

        http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...517-story.html

        At this point, just about every Californian with a pulse knows that agriculture uses 80% of the state's water, and cities 20%. This talking point is true as far as it goes, but that's not very far. You have to limit your vision to the water consumed by humans, “developed” water. This perspective blinds us to the big water picture, and it sets up an unnecessary opposition between farms and cities.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


          I am all for this. Organic food industry is a scam.
          I'll give you my organic (whole) milk when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
          You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
          Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

          Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
          You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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          • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
            I'll give you my organic (whole) milk when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
            It seems that Walter has turned into one of those tree-hugging hippies (like in the sixty's...)

            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
              I'll give you my organic (whole) milk when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
              Please tell me you insist on raw milk.
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Please tell me you insist on raw milk.
                Human breast.
                I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Please tell me you insist on raw milk.
                  I have never had raw cow's milk; raw camel's milk yes, raw cow's milk no... how does the taste of raw cow's milk compare to organic fully leaded? More specifically how does it compare on fruity pebbles? TIA.
                  You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
                  Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

                  Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
                  You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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                  • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                    It seems that Walter has turned into one of those tree-hugging hippies (like in the sixty's...)
                    Hippies are impractical, which is antithetical to my nature. I choose the organic versions of specific items only because they taste better, namely: milk, tomatoes, and these...



                    That's about it.
                    You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
                    Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

                    Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
                    You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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                    • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                      Hippies are impractical, which is antithetical to my nature. I choose the organic versions of specific items only because they taste better, namely: milk, tomatoes, and these...



                      That's about it.
                      Taste better? I don't see it. I usually buy organic milk because it lasts longer in the fridge. I have no use for other organic foods.

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                      • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                        I have never had raw cow's milk; raw camel's milk yes, raw cow's milk no... how does the taste of raw cow's milk compare to organic fully leaded? More specifically how does it compare on fruity pebbles? TIA.
                        I prefer raw milk. I don't know how it compares to organic as I don't buy organic milk when the cow is dried up but I prefer it to the stuff I buy from WinCo or Fred Meyer. I only buy and drink whole milk. Red label stuff for me, yessir!
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                          I prefer raw milk. I don't know how it compares to organic as I don't buy organic milk when the cow is dried up but I prefer it to the stuff I buy from WinCo or Fred Meyer. I only buy and drink whole milk. Red label stuff for me, yessir!
                          OMG I bet you're such a fatty.

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                          • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                            Hippies are impractical, which is antithetical to my nature. I choose the organic versions of specific items only because they taste better, namely: milk, tomatoes, and these...



                            That's about it.

                            OK, but stay away from those teenage girls and pregnant women... they are full of hormones.
                            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                            • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                              I prefer raw milk. I don't know how it compares to organic as I don't buy organic milk when the cow is dried up but I prefer it to the stuff I buy from WinCo or Fred Meyer. I only buy and drink whole milk. Red label stuff for me, yessir!
                              I grew up drinking raw milk. It definitely tastes different. You just have get past the idea of little flecks of cow shit in your milk.

                              Now I am lactose intolerant so I drink organic soy milk from Costco.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • Is Utah still considered to be in a drought or has the climate changed with all this rain?

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