Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[Topper]

The LDS Church, as always, is just flat-assed wrong. I've never seen an organization be wrong about everything like the LDS Church. It's wrong about how the world started, how it will end, wrong about Indians and blacks, wrong about women, wrong about gays, wrong about oral sex and so on -- comically, ludicrously wrong about everything.

Perhaps yet it produces many fine people despite its limitations. To what do you attribute that?

[SeattleUte]

Perhaps yet it produces many fine people despite its limitations. To what do you attribute that?

Actually, I attribute it to the people you reference, and the support and uplift they give one another which could occur just as well outside the LDS Church (in theory). When I say LDS Church I tend to refer to the folks in the COB, primarily the GAs. In general I don't like the GAs and consider them what's wrong with the LDS church. Those insular elderly white men are the LDS Church's biggest problem.

[Topper]

Actually, I attribute it to the people you reference, and the support and uplift they give one another which could occur just as well outside the LDS Church (in theory). When I say LDS Church I tend to refer to the folks in the COB, primarily the GAs. In general I don't like the GAs and consider them what's wrong with the LDS church. Those insular elderly white men are the LDS Church's biggest problem.

You may not agree with them, but they must have done something right to foster a culture that produces good, intelligent and hard-working people. It is too easy to take a binary approach to the leadership. Many. Are locked in their ways, but many are otherwise. They are not as vocal.

[SeattleUte]

You may not agree with them, but they must have done something right to foster a culture that produces good, intelligent and hard-working people. It is too easy to take a binary approach to the leadership. Many. Are locked in their ways, but many are otherwise. They are not as vocal.

There are countless wonderful people all over the world who haven't had to put up with the aggravation, lost time, humiliation or expense of being associated with the LDS Church.

[Topper]

There are countless wonderful people all over the world who haven't had to put up with the aggravation, lost time, humiliation or expense of being associated with the LDS Church.

Of course there are.

There are wonderful people who are from the Hasidic communities, devout Islam, Hindu and other somewhat insular communities. Just because you can see faults don't forget to recognize the strengths. You find frustration due to your close ties, but to throw the baby out with the bath water is also unwise.

[KillerDog]

You favor gun control?

If by gun control you mean I should have the right to own and control one, yes.

[SeattleUte]

If by gun control you mean I should have the right to own and control one, yes.

How do you feel about kids playing loud music close by you?

[SeattleUte]

If by gun control you mean I should have the right to own and control one, yes.

Actually, this is a complicated issue. I can never make up my mind. I'll probably wait for the LDS Church's pronouncemnt on guns, and then short sell that.

[KillerDog]

The LDS Church, as always, is just flat-assed wrong. I've never seen an organization be wrong about everything like the LDS Church. It's wrong about how the world started, how it will end, wrong about Indians and blacks, wrong about women, wrong about gays, wrong about oral sex and so on -- comically, ludicrously wrong about everything.

I don't disagree with much you've said. Of course, you're still kind of a douche so I want to disagree but there isn't much to disagree with.

[KillerDog]

How do you feel about kids playing loud music close by you?

I'm down.

[SeattleUte]

I don't disagree with much you've said. Of course, you're still kind of a douche so I want to disagree but there isn't much to disagree with.

The WoW is also mostly wrong.

[Topper]

If by gun control you mean I should have the right to own and control one, yes.

It is a right, and it is just as important a liberty as others because it applies to each citizen. Responsible gun ownership is valuable and makes us unique. Government control is just a means of eliminating them. Try to own a handgun lawfully in NYC. Can't be done unless you are Cuomo.

[KillerDog]

Actually, this is a complicated issue. I can never make up my mind. I'll probably wait for the LDS Church's pronouncemnt on guns, and then short sell that.

Extremely complex. I hate the extreme over-simplification of complex political issues.

[KillerDog]

The WoW is also mostly wrong.

If by mostly wrong you mean completely wrong, I agree.

[SeattleUte]

If by mostly wrong you mean completely wrong, I agree.

What about cigarettes? I thought the WoW said absolutely no cigarettes. I'll give it that much for being right.