Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[PaloAltoCougar]

True, but you are also a big donor...

In our current ward rankings I'm among the "others receiving votes."

[Jacob]

Jacob hates gays. I don't blame you, most of the people that post here hated them to a few years ago. Times are changing, my grandma used to also hate blacks.

You will come around, my grandma still uses the words "colored" and "negro" from time to time. I am sure you will still use "fag" and "queer" but your hatred will die down when you realize you are fighting the battle alone, hers did.

But does she still hate Utes?

[Paperback Writer]

Jacob reminds me of that Japanese soldier they found hiding in the jungle on some remote island in the Philippines. The war had been over for decades, but he was still fighting away.

The Japanese soldier was Hiroo Onoda and the remote Philippine island was Lubang. Sadly, Onoda passed away recently in ToKyo at the age of 91.
From the below link:
"...He was eventually persuaded to come out of hiding in the jungle in 1974 after his former commanding officer traveled to Lubang to see him and tell him he was released from his military duties."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/17/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

Maybe Jacob is waiting for SLC or some LDS authority to make an official pronouncement that the "war" is over. If that's the case, might be longer still before Jacob follows Onoda out of the jungle and finally surrenders his sword.

[San Juan Sun]

Now this is how a socially conservative leader accommodates gays. Perhaps Utah could learn a thing or two:

http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/2...mir-putin-says

[TripletDaddy]

Now this is how a socially conservative leader accommodates gays. Perhaps Utah could learn a thing or two:

http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/2...mir-putin-says

Sounds like this issue may be Russia's Gettysburg.

[Uncle Ted]

Why is Utah’s hired gun fighting gay marriage? His Mormonism

In an email purportedly sent to his colleagues, Gene Schaerr made it clear why he was leaving his lucrative post as a partner at a prestigious Washington, D.C., law firm to defend Utah’s laws barring same-sex marriage: his Mormon faith.


The leaked email was first posted by Elie Mystal on the Above The Law blog. In it, Schaerr said he was taking a temporary position with the Utah attorney general’s office.


"I have accepted that position so that I can fulfill what I have come to see as a religious and family duty: defending the constitutionality of traditional marriage in the state where my church is headquartered and where most of my family resides," Schaerr said in the Jan. 17 email to co-workers at Winston & Strawn.


Then, quoting from the Bible, Schaerr said he left with confidence that "all things work together for good to them that love God" and invoked a blessing on the firm and his colleagues.


Mystal’s reaction was "whatever."


"Some people’s God calls them to help the poor or feed the hungry or sue for peace," he wrote. "Other people’s God gets bent out of shape when loving gay or lesbian couples call themselves ‘married.’ ... People are (allegedly) called, by their faiths, to do all sorts of things."

But Mystal did question the appropriateness of the email.

"You can’t send out firm-wide emails wishing Jews a ‘Merry Christmas’ and hoping that they accept Jesus Christ as the one true savior over the holidays," he wrote. " ... It’s only with gay people where Bible-based inequality is still professionally respected as a difference of opinion. But maybe that’s changing?"
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogscr...orney.html.csp


I knew a guy once that would quote from the Bible in his professional emails. He turned out to be a freak.

[BigPiney]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogscr...orney.html.csp


I knew a guy once that would quote from the Bible in his professional emails. He turned out to be a freak.

was he a superfreak?

[Jacob]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogscr...orney.html.csp


I knew a guy once that would quote from the Bible in his professional emails. He turned out to be a freak.

May I nitpick for a second? It is what I am good at. The post says this:

Other people’s God gets bent out of shape when loving gay or lesbian couples call themselves ‘married.’

Actually no. Nobody cares what loving couples call themselves. Gay or not. That's not what any of this is about. If it were, or if it is what you think. Then great. We can all now agree and go home.

[SeattleUte]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogscr...orney.html.csp


I knew a guy once that would quote from the Bible in his professional emails. He turned out to be a freak.

He's not too smart in some ways. He's already done Utah incalculable damage with this very strange email to all attorneys in his firm (many hundreds maybe over a thousand lawyers). Do you suppose the Supreme Court justices read the newspaper? Now he's going to try to tell them with a straight face to deny gays the right to marry because that's what the Constitution requires.

[Jeff Lebowski]

He's not too smart in some ways. He's already done Utah incalculable damage with this very strange email to all attorneys in his firm (many hundreds maybe over a thousand lawyers). Do you suppose the Supreme Court justices read the newspaper? Now he's going to try to tell them with a straight face to deny gays the right to marry because that's what the Constitution requires.

He's got a nearly impossible task ahead of him anyway. I doubt this will make a difference in the end.

[Jacob]

He's got a nearly impossible task ahead of him anyway. I doubt this will make a difference in the end.

Just interested in why you think it is a nearly impossible task. At least 4 of 9 supreme court justices will certainly find in favor of the State of Utah's argument. It is also fairly likely that there is a 5th, as the most recent case on the subject matter (though this is a case of first impression) stated that they were not ruling in favor of the argument for gay marriage in states. There could be as many as 7 votes in Utah's favor. But, there could be 5, at most, against. I'm not confident the SC will rule correctly, but at worst, I give Utah's arguments even odds of winning the day.

[TripletDaddy]

Have there been any updates from that hunger strike guy? What is he up to these days? Gay marriage has been suspended for now in Utah but it is still legal elsewhere, so I assume that while he is eating again, he is only lightly snacking until all of this gay marriage business is abolished across the country.

[All-American]

Just interested in why you think it is a nearly impossible task. At least 4 of 9 supreme court justices will certainly find in favor of the State of Utah's argument. It is also fairly likely that there is a 5th, as the most recent case on the subject matter (though this is a case of first impression) stated that they were not ruling in favor of the argument for gay marriage in states. There could be as many as 7 votes in Utah's favor. But, there could be 5, at most, against. I'm not confident the SC will rule correctly, but at worst, I give Utah's arguments even odds of winning the day.

It is not fairly likely that there is a 5th. I would be much less surprised to see 6 votes against Utah than 5 votes for it.

The battle is over. The traditional marriage side lost. Justice Scalia gave it such a nice eulogy in Windsor, though.

[Jacob]

It is not fairly likely that there is a 5th. I would be much less surprised to see 6 votes against Utah than 5 votes for it.

The battle is over. The traditional marriage side lost. Justice Scalia gave it such a nice eulogy in Windsor, though.

Kennedy would obviously be the 5th vote, but who would be the 6th? In Windsor, all 4 of the others dissented specifically to ensure that everybody knew that their ruling had nothing to do with a case like the Utah case.

[Bruiserstone]

Have there been any updates from that hunger strike guy? What is he up to these days? Gay marriage has been suspended for now in Utah but it is still legal elsewhere, so I assume that while he is eating again, he is only lightly snacking until all of this gay marriage business is abolished across the country.

Take a look at this post/quote supposedly from Big Tres- http://joemygod.blogspot.com/search?q=trestin+meacham