Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[imanihonjin]

You didn't read my post very well. I never said it was permanent.

So the problem was your lack of precision.

[Jeff Lebowski]

So the problem was your lack of precision.

No, I think the real problem is that someone is just being a bakayaro today.

[imanihonjin]

Yes, really. You should probably also consult a dictionary and then return and revisit your poorly worded question.

sodomy (ˈsɒdəmɪ) n 1. (Physiology) anal intercourse committed by a man with another man or a woman.


What am I missing?

[imanihonjin]

No, I think the real problem is that someone is just being a bakayaro today.

Today? I think that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.

[TripletDaddy]

sodomy (ˈsɒdəmɪ) n 1. (Physiology) anal intercourse committed by a man with another man or a woman.


What am I missing?

Well, even using your truncated definition, you appear to be missing basic reading comprehension skills, both as it pertains to the definition and as it pertains to Levin's question.

[SeattleUte]

I'm questioning the intelligence of some who I thought were thoughtful, intelligent people. At least if F. Scott Fitzgeral's test is the test for intelligence: "The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." And by function, I mean the ability to see where those with differing views are coming from, and have enough creativity, or understanding, to not be clouded by prejudice.

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The gay rights movement is the final flowering if the sexual liberalization movement of the 60s.
Or the more simple question: Are those who believe gay sex is a sin, are they bigots?

You're a little behind with this essay. Last August Ross Douthat, the NY Times' token socially conservaative columnist, wrote lamenting what you are decrying in a column that I found courageous for its candor and insightful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/op...?smid=pl-share

As Douthat put it, "The conservative argument still has serious exponents, but it’s now chuckled at in courtrooms, dismissed by intellectuals, mocked in the media and (in a sudden, recent rush) abandoned by politicians."

America's turbulant civil rights past and Europe's horrifying race-wars have sensitized us that enlightment to the ages-long plight of an oppressed minority grows impatient with the realm of polite debates. As we debate the oppressed suffer. So pardon gay marriage supporters for turning this into an issue of morality and immorality. I think we learned a lot about the importance of that and how it's done from our religious forebears.

Indeed, how ironic that religious people offer as their sole argument against gay marriage that gay sex is a "sin," yet they bridle at the charge that those who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds is a bigot. Gay marriage supporters are joining the battle on the terms set out by gay marriage opponents. Yes, this is a fight about morality and immorality on a cosmic scale.

So don't go whining when the tide turns in favor of gay marriage supporters as the public begins to regard opposition to gay marriage as a sin (for civil libertarians a sin is to be a bigot). What a delicious irony! Suddenly religious folks want to have a "debate" about what's right and what's wrong!

[Moliere]

To all those who think the church ended polygamy, remember that every day there are polygamous sealings done in the temple. WW simply deferred the polygamous marriages among living members.

[imanihonjin]

Truncated? That was one complete definition of the word found on thefreedictionary.com.

Levin's question:

Are those who believe gay sex is a sin, are they bigots?

My question:

So then in your view, if a person believes sodomy is a sin, that makes the believing person a bigot?

A definition of sodomy:

sodomy (ˈsɒdəmɪ) n 1. (Physiology) anal intercourse committed by a man with another man or a woman.

Well, even using your truncated definition, you appear to be missing basic reading comprehension skills, both as it pertains to the definition and as it pertains to Levin's question.

Enlighten me, what am I missing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You're a little behind with this essay. Last August Ross Douthat, the NY Times' token socially conservaative columnist, wrote lamenting what you are decrying in a column that I found courageous for its candor and insightful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/op...?smid=pl-share

As Douthat put it, "The conservative argument still has serious exponents, but it’s now chuckled at in courtrooms, dismissed by intellectuals, mocked in the media and (in a sudden, recent rush) abandoned by politicians."

America's turbulant civil rights past and Europe's horrifying race-wars have ensensitized us that enlightment to the ages-long plight of an oppressed minority grows impatient with the realm of polite debates. As we debate the oppressed suffer. So pardon gay marriage supporters for turning this into an issue of morality and immorality. I think we learned a lot about the imortance of that and how it's done from our religious forebears.

Indeed, how ironic that religious people offer as their sole argument against gay marriage that gay sex is a "sin," yet they bridle at the charge that those who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds is a bigot. Gay marriage supporters are joining the battle on the terms set out by gay marriage opponents. Yes, this is a fight about morality and immorality on a cosmic scale.

So don't go whining when the tide turns in favor of gay marriage supporters as the public begins to regard opposition to gay marriage as a sin (for civil libertarians a sin is to be a bigot). What a delicious irony! Suddenly religious folks want to hav a "debate" about what's right and what's wrong!

Nailed it.

[SeattleUte]

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The gay rights movement is the final flowering if the sexual liberalization movement of the 60s.

Really? People wanting to get married is the final flowering if the sexual liberalization movement of the 60s?

[TripletDaddy]

Truncated? That was one complete definition of the word found on thefreedictionary.com.

Enlighten me, what am I missing.

The boat.
The big picture.
pretty much everything.

[byu71]

You're a little behind with this essay. Last August Ross Douthat, the NY Times' token socially conservaative columnist, wrote lamenting what you are decrying in a column that I found courageous for its candor and insightful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/op...?smid=pl-share

As Douthat put it, "The conservative argument still has serious exponents, but it’s now chuckled at in courtrooms, dismissed by intellectuals, mocked in the media and (in a sudden, recent rush) abandoned by politicians."

America's turbulant civil rights past and Europe's horrifying race-wars have sensitized us that enlightment to the ages-long plight of an oppressed minority grows impatient with the realm of polite debates. As we debate the oppressed suffer. So pardon gay marriage supporters for turning this into an issue of morality and immorality. I think we learned a lot about the importance of that and how it's done from our religious forebears.

Indeed, how ironic that religious people offer as their sole argument against gay marriage that gay sex is a "sin," yet they bridle at the charge that those who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds is a bigot. Gay marriage supporters are joining the battle on the terms set out by gay marriage opponents. Yes, this is a fight about morality and immorality on a cosmic scale.

So don't go whining when the tide turns in favor of gay marriage supporters as the public begins to regard opposition to gay marriage as a sin (for civil libertarians a sin is to be a bigot). What a delicious irony! Suddenly religious folks want to have a "debate" about what's right and what's wrong!

LOL, mocked in the media and DISMISSED by intellectuals. Wait till they hear that. I am sure that will change their thinking.

Like my buddy Tom said one time when I told him the intellectuals would call him a hick. I think I will go out and buy me 50 of those intellectuals and I will bet they start agreeing with me.

[imanihonjin]

The boat.
The big picture.
pretty much everything.

Again, enlighten me. You appear to want to avoid the question that you apparently believe that you have already answered. I will take it that you have decided you weren't actually sure and that you don't want to reanswer given that.

[All-American]

Really? People wanting to get married is the final flowering if the sexual liberalization movement of the 60s?

Weird, huh?

[Nakoma]

Really? People wanting to get married is the final flowering if the sexual liberalization movement of the 60s?

Yep, it's just the opposite. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1147290.html

Gays want to embrace a fading institution.