Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[byu71]

They aren't forced to, even now. It took longer than I would have hoped, but late is better than never or if they are forced to.

Good. I don't know for sure myself. Is the LDS church against granting full benefits, such as visiting rights, health care, etc. to couples who are in a government recognized relationship that just wasn't called marriage?

[LA Ute]

It seems to me that by refusing to issue a stay Judge Shelby has moved from any claim to being a "calling balls and strikes" judge to being a true activist judge -- meaning, he's pushing for a particular result and trying to make his ruling difficult to challenge as a practical matter.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57...y-sex.html.csp

[smokymountainrain]

Good. I don't know for sure myself. Is the LDS church against granting full benefits, such as visiting rights, health care, etc. to couples who are in a government recognized relationship that just wasn't called marriage?

Good question. I'm not sure how the LDS church as an employer is handling those issues.

[Topper]

Follow the money? I would think someone trained in the art of persuasion could make a defense of his profession that didn't make it sound so whorish.

I am candid. Law is also a product of politics, and politics, when stripped to its bare essentials, is about power and money. Principles arise to cloak it, and people nobly practice the profession to protect rights and liberties of their clients. Yet it is society that is crass and so to state the purpose of legislation is to protect economic interests of those legislating is mere a candid expression.

[byu71]

Good question. I'm not sure how the LDS church as an employer is handling those issues.

I think they handle even homosexual couples who aren't married in what you and I might consider unequal way. I can understand their right to do so. What I am wondering is are they trying to push that onto onto other employers?

[Uncle Ted]

There is no hell, remember? Maybe he should live in Oklahoma occupied North Texas instead.

FIFY.




Texas (and Provo), according to BY, is on par with hell...

"There are three places, all on a par, one is as good as the other," Brigham Young told Smoot, according to the account in the book. "They are Provo, hell or Texas. You can take your choice."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...ch.html?pg=all

I lived in both Provo and Texas. If this is what hell is like then I'll like it there.

[Jeff Lebowski]

FIFY.

Texas (and Provo), according to BY, is on par with hell...


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...ch.html?pg=all

I lived in both Provo and Texas. If this is what hell is like then I'll like it there.

God bless Provo and Texas.

[smokymountainrain]

I think they handle even homosexual couples who aren't married in what you and I might consider unequal way. I can understand their right to do so. What I am wondering is are they trying to push that onto onto other employers?

Not that I'm aware of.

[Topper]

God bless Provo and Texas.
,

Texas has many virtues, but its lack of mountains, real mountains, is its primary downfall. Much of the state is so flat. Utah has many physical beauties, and if one had a good job, you could just ignore other aspects of the culture. But it can also be stifling for some. As for Hell, or Oklahoma, I really can't say what its virtues are.

[byu71]

Not that I'm aware of.

Our company does provide all benefits a heterosexual couple enjoys to homosexual couples. That is true of gays working for the company in this state, so I assume there is no law in Utah to prevent it.

[UVACoug]

Looks like I was wrong. The decision does enjoin the state from enforcing the statutes prohibiting clerks from issuing licenses to same-sex couples.

[cougjunkie]

Looks like I was wrong.

You could have stopped there.

[All-American]

The 10th Circuit is very conservative by circuit court standards. Not conservative as the 5th, but conservative nonetheless. For example, this summer the 10th circuit overruled the dismissal of Hobby Lobby's religious freedom claim about Obamacare.

Of course, as AllAmerican notes, what really matters is the 3-judge draw, not the circuit as a whole (unless the circuit decides to take the case en banc as it did with Hobby Lobby).

It could decide to go en banc, but I'd guess not, for the sake of getting it to the Supreme Court more quickly. Could be wrong.

[Uncle Ted]

Texas has many virtues, but its lack of mountains, real mountains, is its primary downfall. Much of the state is so flat. Utah has many physical beauties, and if one had a good job, you could just ignore other aspects of the culture. But it can also be stifling for some. As for Hell, or Oklahoma, I really can't say what its virtues are.

The great Republic of Texas has lots of mountains...



http://www.sonofthesouth.net/texas/m...texas-1846.htm

[Nakoma]

The 10th Circuit is very conservative by circuit court standards. Not conservative as the 5th, but conservative nonetheless. For example, this summer the 10th circuit overruled the dismissal of Hobby Lobby's religious freedom claim about Obamacare.

Of course, as AllAmerican notes, what really matters is the 3-judge draw, not the circuit as a whole (unless the circuit decides to take the case en banc as it did with Hobby Lobby).

Each circuit has its own process for selecting the three-judge panels. The 10th uses computer software intended to minimize judicial discretion in the selection process. A record is created for any reason why an exception to a random computer assignment occurs. No gerrymandering of a panel allowed in the 10th circuit without transparency.

Edit: For those interested, the chief judge of the 10th is a woman and Clinton appointee.

http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/chambers/index.php?id=15