Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[cougjunkie]

pretty funny that the alleged justification for this is to avoid contention between same sex parents and their kids. nothing avoids contention like forcing a kid to move out and disavow his parents' marriage.

The church is doing these kids and their gay parents a favor by getting the the child out of the house sooner.

[SeattleUte]

pretty funny that the alleged justification for this is to avoid contention between same sex parents and their kids. nothing avoids contention like forcing a kid to move out and disavow his parents' marriage.

They have to excommunicate the kids who have been baptized of same sex parents . If they don't I'm going to be furious! I hate illogic.

[SeattleUte]

The church is doing these kids and their gay parents a favor by getting the the child out of the house sooner.

Junkie, I want an honest answer. Did you ever actually play organized football? Did you go on a mission? Or are just the biggest churchie football nerd ever?

[Blueintheface]

So stupid. The right wing of the right wingers must have brought some power to bear. Just embarrassing.

[Blueintheface]

Junkie, I want an honest answer. Did you ever actually play organized football? Did you go on a mission? Or are just the biggest churchie football nerd ever?

He has no answer except "fuck you, I'm Mormon. I brag about attending as few meetings as possible in order to maintain my player's card, something I know is in direct conflict with church teachings, and I really don't know any doctrine to speak of but dammit, I'm Mormon and I make 3x what you do selling Tahitian Noni. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. That's how you drop the mic, bitches!!"

[SeattleUte]

Here is the rationale. It's not hard to see. They don't want these children to appear as accepted components of "families", because the same sex "families" must be non-entities in LDS eyes. If the children come to church with same sex parents and are recognized as members in good standing--being baptized, ordained deacons and such--even though the parents aren't, the same sex families begin to take root as a form of LDS family. These same sex families are therefore Untermensch in LDS eyes--in the same way that Jews, Roma, Slavs, blacks and even Asians were labeled Untermensch ("under man") by the Nazis. This policy is ultimately grounded in hate.

So, you apologists, stop it with the sophistry. It has nothing to do with avoiding discord within these families, which the LDS Church doesn't care a hoot about. Discord because one same sex spouse may want it but the other may not? Why is there not as much risk of this happening in straight marriages? Discord because the child wants it but the same sex parents don't? Why is there not as much risk of this happening in straight marriages? Is this a plausible scenario? Is the premise that all same sex couples would oppose their child's baptism?

[Moliere]

Here is the rationale. It's not hard to see. They don't want these children to appear as accepted components of "families", because the same sex "families" must be non-entities in LDS eyes. If the children come to church with same sex parents and are recognized as members in good standing--being baptized, ordained deacons and such--even though the parents aren't, the same sex families begin to take root as a form of LDS family. These same sex families are therefore Untermensch in LDS eyes--in the same way that Jews, Roma, Slavs, blacks and even Asians were labeled Untermensch ("under man") by the Nazis. This policy is ultimately grounded in hate.

I can't say I disagree. It is a hateful policy.

I wonder if the church will officially state that the age of accountability for these kids is actually 18 instead of 8. Seems like such a statement is necessary.

[Moliere]

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[wuapinmon]

Here is the rationale. It's not hard to see. They don't want these children to appear as accepted components of "families", because the same sex "families" must be non-entities in LDS eyes. If the children come to church with same sex parents and are recognized as members in good standing--being baptized, ordained deacons and such--even though the parents aren't, the same sex families begin to take root as a form of LDS family. These same sex families are therefore Untermensch in LDS eyes--in the same way that Jews, Roma, Slavs, blacks and even Asians were labeled Untermensch ("under man") by the Nazis. This policy is ultimately grounded in hate.

So, you apologists, stop it with the sophistry. It has nothing to do with avoiding discord within these families, which the LDS Church doesn't care a hoot about. Discord because one same sex spouse may want it but the other may not? Why is there not as much risk of this happening in straight marriages? Discord because the child wants it but the same sex parents don't? Why is there not as much risk of this happening in straight marriages? Is this a plausible scenario? Is the premise that all same sex couples would oppose their child's baptism?

Yep, I agree completely. The stated worry that children will be raised in a home with different teachings happens all the time, just with straight people of other faiths. If the stated reason is that baptism, attendance, and putting the child in difficult positions is the reason, then no one should ever get baptized unless both of their parents are active LDS.

[wuapinmon]

I think I'm done.

[pellegrino]

The church is doing these kids and their gay parents a favor by getting the the child out of the house sooner.

That's some pretty sophisticated logic, quarter roll

[Moliere]

I think I'm done.

Knock it off

[Jeff Lebowski]

Anyone who says this is not a big change is being disingenuous. This does not just cover children adopted by a gay couple. The way it is written, anyone who has a married or cohabiting gay parent (<--singular) falls under this policy. We have a family in our ward where the husband left his wife for another man when their three sons were young. The mother won primary custody, but the father (who lived with his partner) had custody every other weekend and during parts of the summer. Mother was devout LDS and these kids were fully integrated into the ward. Baptism, ordination, scouts, youth conference, temple trips, everything. They were part of our ward family and everyone loved them and included them in every way. Under this new policy, this will not be possible. This is a stunning and far-reaching decision.

[myboynoah]

3D is correct, so don't get all worked up. We will see a back-track fairly soon.