Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[CardiacCoug]

It makes things a lot easier on the Church to have gay marriage legalized right? Glad that's over.

Now the Church on paper at least accepts celibate gays on the same terms as heterosexuals. Seems like the next step will be to treat a married gay person like we treat a person married to a non-member, except it will take a while to progress from letting a gay married person stay active and in a calling to eventually letting a gay person even have a temple recommend.

Then once people realize that it's no big deal to have gay married people at church I think there will eventually be gay temple marriages. I'm thinking that's about 50 years from now. Most of us will be dead or close to it.

I guess maybe I'm underestimating the degree to which some people in the Church might allow abstract theological concepts to continue to override common sense and hurt real people but I have enough faith in the goodness of Mormons that I think eventually kindness and decency will win out over homophobic theological tradition.

[New Mexican Disaster]

It makes things a lot easier on the Church to have gay marriage legalized right? Glad that's over.

Now the Church on paper at least accepts celibate gays on the same terms as heterosexuals. Seems like the next step will be to treat a married gay person like we treat a person married to a non-member, except it will take a while to progress from letting a gay married person stay active and in a calling to eventually letting a gay person even have a temple recommend.

Then once people realize that it's no big deal to have gay married people at church I think there will eventually be gay temple marriages. I'm thinking that's about 50 years from now. Most of us will be dead or close to it.

I guess maybe I'm underestimating the degree to which some people in the Church might allow abstract theological concepts to continue to override common sense and hurt real people but I have enough faith in the goodness of Mormons that I think eventually kindness and decency will win out over homophobic theological tradition.

I hope you're right.

[SCcoug]

Say some time in the future a new convert wants to do temple for his or her ancestors. After the some research he/she finds out that great great grandparents were gay. I assume current policy mirrors that for live sealing and would not be allowed leaving a gap. How will future policy address this situation? Seal those children to the either grandparent, leave the gap as is, allow proxy gay sealings, bring back the law of adoption?

[clackamascoug]

Multiple dimensions solves all the BS you guys can drum up from the bottom of the gay pride barrel. Omniscience is earned not given.

[All-American]

Multiple dimensions solves all the BS you guys can drum up from the bottom of the gay pride barrel. Omniscience is earned not given.

http://www.strangerdimensions.com/20...ate-worldline/

[Jeff Lebowski]

http://www.strangerdimensions.com/20...ate-worldline/

That's funny.

We have always been in the "stain" dimension. Our kids loved those books. I read one so much I have it memorized.

[Uncle Ted]

BYU ranked among the least LGBT-friendly campuses

Brigham Young University remains one of the most hostile campuses in the country for gay and transgender students, according to an annual college ranking list.


The private university is not quite as high atop the list of LGBT-unfriendly schools as it was last year in an annual report from The Princeton Review.


This time around, Provo- based BYU took sixth place for its environment for gay students. That's down two slots from last year, when the LDS Church-owned school took fourth.


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that same-sex attraction is not a sin, but that acting on it is.


This year, the No. 1 spot went to Pennsylvania's Grove City College, a Christian liberal arts school of 2,500 students.
[...]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2814697-1...-lgbt-friendly

Grove City College?!? Do they even have a football team?

[hostile]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2814697-1...-lgbt-friendly

Grove City College?!? Do they even have a football team?

It looks like they do!
http://www2.gcc.edu/sports/New/Football/home.htm

First year of football - 1892
2014 record: 0-10

[CardiacCoug]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...-children.html

Families with same-sex parents and those with lots of children were ranked as those with the highest satisfaction scores by Harman.

Surprising that the DNews sort of buried the part about same-sex parented families being super happy and resilient too. That would have made a better headline.

[Uncle Ted]

So is polygamy currently legal in Utah? If so, I guess that could help with the single women to single men ratio problem.

‘Sister Wives’ family points to same-sex marriage cases in arguing against Utah polygamy ban

The family of Kody Brown on Wednesday answered Utah's appeal to reinstate a ban on polygamy, and the family's brief is notable for what's there now that wasn't before.


The Browns' attorney Jonathan Turley wages many of the same arguments that were successful in the lower court. But now Turley also cites recent rulings affirming same-sex marriage.


That includes the U.S. Supreme Court case of Obergefell v. Hodges, in which the court upheld the fundamental right of same-sex couples to marry, and Kitchen v. Herbert, the case that brought same-sex marriage to Utah. Turley also cites a Supreme Court case that decriminalized all gay sex as sodomy, Lawrence V. Texas.


"From the rejection of morality legislation in Lawrence to the expansion of the protections of liberty interests in Obergefell, it is clear that states can no longer use criminal codes to coerce or punish those who choose to live in consensual but unpopular unions," Turley wrote in his answer to Utah's appeal.

When U.S. District Court Judge Clark Waddoups overturned Utah's ban on polygamy in December 2013, same-sex marriage wasn't mentioned in the ruling.


The Browns, known for the television show "Sister Wives," want the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals to uphold Waddoups' ruling. Utah appealed to have it overturned. The state has argued that polygamy is inherently harmful to women and children and that the Browns have not suffered from the law, because they haven't been prosecuted.


The Browns lived in Lehi during the first season of their show then moved to Las Vegas after the Utah County attorney began a criminal investigation.

http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/polygamy...ts-to-same-sex

[Nakoma]

Kinda, sorta.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56...uling.html.csp

[Jeff Lebowski]

Anybody following the saga of that nutty county clerk in Kentucky that refuses to issue marriage licenses to gays? She has lost at every step in court but still refuses to issue the licenses. She can't be fired because she is an elected official. They finally threw her in jail today for contempt of court:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us...-marriage.html

“Every public official is subject to the rule of law,” Mr. Earnest said. “No one is above the law. That applies to the president of the United States and it applies to the clerk of Rowan County, Kentucky, as well.”

Rand Paul, The Republican presidential candidate, told CNN it was “absurd to put someone in jail for exercising their religious liberties.”

Ugh... Poor form, Rand.

[byu71]

Anybody following the saga of that nutty county clerk in Kentucky that refuses to issue marriage licenses to gays? She has lost at every step in court but still refuses to issue the licenses. She can't be fired because she is an elected official. They finally threw her in jail today for contempt of court:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us...-marriage.html



Ugh... Poor form, Rand.

Yes, if ones religious beliefs do not coincide with your job, you should quit your job. Show some sacrifice for your beliefs. You will be blessed for doing so.

[Uncle Ted]

Anybody following the saga of that nutty county clerk in Kentucky that refuses to issue marriage licenses to gays? She has lost at every step in court but still refuses to issue the licenses. She can't be fired because she is an elected official. They finally threw her in jail today for contempt of court:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us...-marriage.html



Ugh... Poor form, Rand.

Wow.. that is about as nutty as the mormons refusing to give up polygamy.

[Nakoma]

Rand knows better. It wasn't her exercise of a religious liberty which resulted in her being jailed; it was her willful refusal to comply with a lawful court order.