Detroit has filed for bankruptcy. Is this a new trend?

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  • Uncle Ted
    The Big 12 money shot.
    • Apr 2010
    • 28853

    #46
    Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Need more detail on the definition of "Belong to a religous club". Otherwise, I'm left to understand that Berkeley residents are more religious than Highland Park residents. That doesn't add up based on what I know of both cities. Perhaps I missed it when the Evangelicals moved out and the Heathens moved into Highland Park. I could be wrong though. If one would have asked me which city had higher incomes and home prices, I would have stated unequivocally Berkeley.
    That is a good question. According to some other data about one 3rd of Berkeley'ers are religious. So belonging to a religious club must mean something else.

    As for the Heathens moving in, I have been told that John W. Hinckley, Jr. (who tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan) lived in Highland Park at one time so maybe.
    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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    • woot
      Resident Science Cop
      • Nov 2008
      • 5531

      #47
      Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
      If no one here believes that government is the answer to all problems, then I am glad. But it's not a strawman if it's believed by many, many people.
      Perhaps there are some, but it seems more likely that this is simply a case where you haven't bothered to try to understand the positions you're arguing against. Or maybe you're just that sloppy with your words. Do you honestly believe that if pressed anyone would cop to a belief that government is the solution to all problems?

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      • SandYFan
        Junior Member
        • May 2013
        • 754

        #48
        Originally posted by woot View Post
        Perhaps there are some, but it seems more likely that this is simply a case where you haven't bothered to try to understand the positions you're arguing against. Or maybe you're just that sloppy with your words. Do you honestly believe that if pressed anyone would cop to a belief that government is the solution to all problems?
        Yes.

        And the thing is, I can see that side of the argument.

        Problem with poverty? More, better funded government programs for welfare, job placement, etc.

        Problem with gophers? Government program to hire gopher exterminators.

        Problem with flooding? Government program to build levies, run-offs, etc.

        Problem with hangnails? Government program educating on how to prevent them, and surgical repair through universal healthcare.

        In theory, these are all fantastic. I can absolutely see how someone believes government is the answer to all problems.

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        • TheAzzuri
          Junior Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 454

          #49
          Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
          The number of progressives doesn't matter. What matters is that Detroit has been in trouble for a long time, and the local government has chosen to enact liberal policies in an attempt to fix things.

          This has failed.

          Now, would conservative policies also have failed? Probably.

          But I'm tired of hearing how government can fix everything. Detroit is evidence that this is not true.
          I know very little about Detroit's current problems, except that it is often compared with Birmigham and Jefferson County, which (apparently) until recently was the proud owner of the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S history. Watching the county jump through hoops is equal parts amusing and depressing.

          From my perspective, widespread corruption was the major driver of our financial issues, moreso than policy--although it is true that certain policies may have facilitated that corruption.

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          • Jarid in Cedar
            CS Institutional Memory
            • Jun 2009
            • 13234

            #50
            Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
            If no one here believes that government is the answer to all problems, then I am glad. But it's not a strawman if it's believed by many, many people.
            Care to put a percentage on many, many?
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            • SandYFan
              Junior Member
              • May 2013
              • 754

              #51
              Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
              Care to put a percentage on many, many?
              Well considering you are arguing the percentage is zero, I am comfortable saying it's over that.

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              • Uncle Ted
                The Big 12 money shot.
                • Apr 2010
                • 28853

                #52
                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • Uncle Ted
                  The Big 12 money shot.
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 28853

                  #53
                  Less than half of Detroit's residents over 16 are working. Unemployment is 18.6% and that is down from over 27% in 2009.

                  "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                  "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                  "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • Uncle Ted
                    The Big 12 money shot.
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 28853

                    #54
                    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • Indy Coug
                      Heartless Bastard
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 18747

                      #55
                      That is just crazy. I thought you only see things like that if you played Sim City.

                      Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                      Everything in life is an approximation.

                      http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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                      • Uncle Ted
                        The Big 12 money shot.
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 28853

                        #56
                        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                        • Uncle Ted
                          The Big 12 money shot.
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 28853

                          #57
                          On the bright side...

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                          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Jarid in Cedar
                            CS Institutional Memory
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 13234

                            #58
                            Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
                            Well considering you are arguing the percentage is zero, I am comfortable saying it's over that.
                            Another strawman. I haven't argued any number. I think that around 10% of peopled fit your hypothesis. And, that is an insignificant percentage.
                            "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

                            "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

                            "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

                            -Rick Majerus

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                            • il Padrino Ute
                              Junior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 19161

                              #59
                              No, this isn't an article from The Onion. The judge actually said that filing bankruptcy is not honoring Obama. I'm trying to figure out her reasoning for saying that. Anyone have any idea?
                              "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


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                              • Mormon Red Death
                                BYU Delenda Est
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 8077

                                #60
                                Originally posted by TheAzzuri View Post
                                I know very little about Detroit's current problems, except that it is often compared with Birmigham and Jefferson County, which (apparently) until recently was the proud owner of the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S history. Watching the county jump through hoops is equal parts amusing and depressing.

                                From my perspective, widespread corruption was the major driver of our financial issues, moreso than policy--although it is true that certain policies may have facilitated that corruption.
                                Its the same in Detroit. Widespread corruption is the main reason for its demise.

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