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Originally posted by myboynoah
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As someone in your position should know, there its nothing simple about personnel discipline, firing/termination. ESP when the employer is the government and/or the employee is a higher profile than the rank and file."The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
"I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."
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Also, you consistent wish to assume the worst possible scenario. Should I pencil you in to group 3 from above?Originally posted by myboynoah View Post"The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
"I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."
-Rick MajerusComment
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Whether or not something is amiss and the complexity of the issue is entirely irrelevant to the institutional response to something like this.Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
Also, you say you want transparency; apparently the "good doctor" and University generally agree with you, which is why they have set up the independent investigation, which will presumably shed much more complete answers than Hill possibly could, and will presumably be publicly available and disseminated once completed.Comment
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The torture of student athletes notwithstanding.Originally posted by The_Douger View Post
(Let's be honest here, if water boarding is torture, then so is the what this guy did to his student athletes. There is ZERO chance that someone passes out while being water-boarded. Not so with this coach's discipline. ).Comment
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Huh. I have witnessed multiple episodes of athletes collapsing during training, and none of them occurred during "punishment activities". The reasons for syncope while under physical duress range from the simple and benign to the life threatening. Most of the cases pertain to poor hydration and caloric intake prior to the activity.Originally posted by statman View Post"The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
"I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."
-Rick MajerusComment
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Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View PostFriend, I haven't assumed the worst possible scenario. I do assume there is something to the parents' complaints, otherwise why is the university conducting an outside investigation and why have the good doctor and the univeristy lawyered up?Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
If there really is nothing there, then the university could simply state that they had reviewed the complaints filed by the parents and took action/took no action based on what they found. They've been fairly open about the OEO investigation (aside from the OEO director saying she couldn't even confirm that any investigation had taken place when asked for a copy of the report--which you've got to admit is a bit odd; did they lose it?).
As you note, I'm well aware of the complexities inherent in approaching personnel issues. I'm also aware of the reluctance that many have to taking them on, preferring to hope the problem will go away on its own. For that reason I suspect there is something amiss (probably nothing dramatic). Certainly, as fusnik has pointed out, the UofUtah has shown some tolerance for borderline behavior by coaches.
Why does this seem to irriate so many UfoUtah fans?Last edited by myboynoah; 03-13-2013, 09:14 PM.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."Comment
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lolOriginally posted by myboynoah View PostWhen a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
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Definitely wrong doing on the part of the University of Utah. I'm glad that they are admitting the wrongdoing and reprimanding Hill. However, looks like this is not Penn St 2.0 as claimed.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/revie...n-fired-soonerAs I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
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No Penn St. 2.0.Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
Just UNM 2.0
(Isn't that were Locksley was throwing punches at an assistant?)
Which, I'll agree, is much more desirable than having the admin overlook the sexual abuse of children.Comment
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It sounds like Hill stepped in and made some changes along the way. This sounds better than the original Yahoo story. If this report stands, this will probably blow over quickly.Originally posted by mpfunk View PostComment
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Hill is fortunate that there is no video of the coach in some drunken rage or belittling the swimmers.Originally posted by Vic Vega View PostGive 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."Comment
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