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  • Jeff Lebowski
    Corporate lackey for Jesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 69393

    #10291
    Originally posted by BlueK View Post
    The income tax is a punishment for being productive.
    Oh boy. Here we go.
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    • falafel
      loves to talk on things
      • Mar 2009
      • 37831

      #10292
      Originally posted by BlueK View Post
      The income tax is a punishment for being productive. The more you produce in the economy, the more you're punished. Taxing people for consuming the resources of the economy makes way more sense logically.
      I wasn't ing about that. I was ing in response to this, suggesting Texas' system would fit the rest of America:

      We don't have an income tax in Texas... makes sense to me.
      Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

      Dig your own grave, and save!

      "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

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      • imanihonjin
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2013
        • 3772

        #10293
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        Oh boy. Here we go.
        A progressive income tax is very much so.

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        • falafel
          loves to talk on things
          • Mar 2009
          • 37831

          #10294
          Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
          A progressive income tax is very much so.
          Seems like I'm already being "punished" for producing more under the current system. The more I make, the more I pay!
          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

          Dig your own grave, and save!

          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • Color Me Badd Fan
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 12519

            #10295
            The US has the most progressive income tax in the world. With the rates that were passed a few years ago, the rich are already taxed plenty. The real problem is the Bush tax cuts cut too many people out of the system -- more people should be paying at least a little tax. It would also hopefully make more people thoughtful about how the government spends money. But who am I kidding?
            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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            • Topper
              Pre-Historic Man
              • Nov 2011
              • 11764

              #10296
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              Yes indeed. Let's implement a regressive tax system nationwide. Screw the poor!

              http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxe...r-worse-1.aspx
              Or a single rate tax which has minimal progressivism, but aims to be fair across the board.
              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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              • Topper
                Pre-Historic Man
                • Nov 2011
                • 11764

                #10297
                Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                The income tax is a punishment for being productive. The more you produce in the economy, the more you're punished. Taxing people for consuming the resources of the economy makes way more sense logically.
                The progressive income tax is a double penalty for being productive, and too much income encourages state governments to overspend.
                "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                • imanihonjin
                  Junior Member
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 3772

                  #10298
                  Originally posted by falafel View Post
                  Seems like I'm already being "punished" for producing more under the current system. The more I make, the more I pay!
                  Precisely. Our current federal income tax system is a progressive income tax and I agree with you.

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                  • Topper
                    Pre-Historic Man
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 11764

                    #10299
                    Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
                    Precisely. Our current federal income tax system is a progressive income tax and I agree with you.
                    It is especially true for those of us who are only indirect beneficiaries of government, as opposed to direct beneficiaries. If you are middle class or upper middle class you contribute the lion's share, yet reap the minimal benefit. A single rate tax is the only path to fairness. Bring back Steve Forbes!
                    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                    Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                    • frank ryan
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 12255

                      #10300
                      Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                      Weld is just saying that the FYI/DoJ should have locked crooked Hillary up a long time ago and never let it fester all the way up to the election. Then the liberals may have had Bernie as their candidate. Fortunately the Libertarians gives the republicans and dems an escape from their party's craphole candidates.
                      No, Weld said if Comey didn't have details he should've "kept his mouth shut."
                      Last edited by frank ryan; 10-31-2016, 11:45 AM.

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                      • Topper
                        Pre-Historic Man
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 11764

                        #10301
                        Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                        No, Weld said if Comey didn't have details he should've "kept his mouth shut."
                        Comey was in a damned if you do or damned if you do not situation. If he had failed to disclose it, he could have considered in contempt of Congress. It was simply an effort at self-preservation.
                        "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                        Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                        • falafel
                          loves to talk on things
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 37831

                          #10302
                          Originally posted by Topper View Post
                          It is especially true for those of us who are only indirect beneficiaries of government, as opposed to direct beneficiaries. If you are middle class or upper middle class you contribute the lion's share, yet reap the minimal benefit. A single rate tax is the only path to fairness. Bring back Steve Forbes!
                          You are a direct beneficiary of government.
                          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                          Dig your own grave, and save!

                          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Topper
                            Pre-Historic Man
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 11764

                            #10303
                            Originally posted by falafel View Post
                            You are a direct beneficiary of government.
                            Indirect. I am not employed by government, no do I receive no payments from government.

                            An attorney is an indirect beneficiary.
                            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                            • Uncle Ted
                              The Big 12 money shot.
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 28853

                              #10304



                              When Hillary offered up instructions for making your own tin foil hats... was that for the pubs or the dems?

                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
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                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • BlueK
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 7108

                                #10305
                                The polls are tightening up and the media is definitely reporting that to drum up excitement and audience for election coverage. However, looking at the current map Clinton only needs 7 more electoral votes and it would seem unlikely at this point that Trump would take every single state in gray, especially considering all the votes already cast in early voting in many swing states while Trump's numbers were at their lowest point.

                                http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...llege_map.html

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