The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[falafel]

This wikileaks crap is going to make a good book/movie someday...


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wi...rticle/2605735



This email thing seem to set off a s**tstorm within the Clinton campaign. I can't wait for the next email drop. God bless those "Russian" hackers.

None of these revelations are really rocking the boat anymore, at least not to me. Clinton's campaign was worried about the email issue?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Very Mormon thing to worry about what "outsiders" think about us.

Yeah, this is hilarious. National pundits gushing over the mormon voting block this election cycle for having some courage/brains/convictions and moliere and smr are worried about Utah looking too mormon.

[Topper]

None of these revelations are really rocking the boat anymore, at least not to me. Clinton's campaign was worried about the email issue?

Clinton has been involved in so many scandals that she has become teflonlike. Another one won't bother people, unless she is videotaped murdering falafel's kin after yucking it up with the KKK and the Son of Sam.

[Uncle Ted]

None of these revelations are really rocking the boat anymore, at least not to me. Clinton's campaign was worried about the email issue?

I wouldn't be surprised if all these revelations split the Dems into two parties... The Bernie fanboys are already pissed and this just adds fuel to the fire. The only reason the party looks like it is united is Trump is an idiot and no one wants to vote for him. Also, all this email does nothing to help the american people build trust for our new president. Her approval rating is going to be sh*t coming into the office.

[Uncle Ted]

Clinton has been involved in so many scandals that she has become teflonlike. Another one won't bother people, unless she is videotaped murdering falafel's kin after yucking it up with the KKK and the Son of Sam.

The republicans are inventing all these clinton scandals... It is just part of the "vast right wing conspiracy".

[Uncle Ted]

Jill Stein is a fucking nut. Bernie is consistant Jill Stein is an embarrassment.

Jill Stein is yet another example how an Harvard education is overrated...

US presidential candidate Jill Stein thinks wi-fi is a threat to children’s health

The US Green Party just officially nominated Jill Stein as its presidential candidate, and to mark the occasion, the internet dug up a YouTube video from earlier this year that has her casting some serious shade on basic technology when it comes to kids.


In the video below, Stein not only denounces the move towards giving every child access to a computer at school, but also says, "We should not be subjecting kids' brains" to wi-fi.


Wait, what?


As a Harvard-educated physician, Stein should know better than to freak people out with conspiracy theories that have no basis in science, especially when it comes to their kids.
[...]

http://www.sciencealert.com/us-presi...ldren-s-health

[Topper]

The republicans are inventing all these clinton scandals... It is just part of the "vast right wing conspiracy".

I remember that incredibly dishonest prevarication during the height of the Lewinsky scandal. As a side note, I have a significant number of friends and family, who have lost their minds and intend to vote for Clinton, so I was engaged in friendly conversation, because I have yet to hear any Clinton supporter identify any flaws or weakness. So finally one of my friends stated, "okay, I'll identify one, she lies." Thus, when you set forth these famous quotes, I thought of that line. "She lies."

[frank ryan]

I wouldn't be surprised if all these revelations split the Dems into two parties... The Bernie fanboys are already pissed and this just adds fuel to the fire. The only reason the party looks like it is united is Trump is an idiot and no one wants to vote for him. Also, all this email does nothing to help the american people build trust for our new president. Her approval rating is going to be sh*t coming into the office.

Nah, they won't split. It's not that Trump is just an idiot. He is a dictatorial, bigot who has shown himself incapable of any humility, self-restraint, policy knowledge or interest in coalition building. The man is saying he won't accept the result of an election and is spreading Alex Jones level paranoia about our democratic republic. Gary Kasparov said something like this about Trump, "calling a legitimate election illegitimate is just as dangerous as calling an illegitimate election legitimate."

Jill Stein is yet another example how an Harvard education is overrated...


http://www.sciencealert.com/us-presi...ldren-s-health

Jill Stein is a joke. I would vote for Gary Johnson over her any day. She also sucks up to Putin.

[falafel]

I remember that incredibly dishonest prevarication during the height of the Lewinsky scandal. As a side note, I have a significant number of friends and family, who have lost their minds and intend to vote for Clinton, so I was engaged in friendly conversation, because I have yet to hear any Clinton supporter identify any flaws or weakness. So finally one of my friends stated, "okay, I'll identify one, she lies." Thus, when you set forth these famous quotes, I thought of that line. "She lies."

Crap, I guess you can't vote for any politician in any race at any level. Sucks to be you.

[frank ryan]

I don't know how you can quantify the cluelessness between Bernie's followers and Trump's. Once your are in the negative zone, it doesn't matter.

I understand why voters such as yourself vote for the Hillaries and Bernies, you truly believe the policies will help people. In my opinion, you don't understand how ultimately those policies fail, and measures of austerity, fiscal conservativism work better for more people and creating more prosperity for all. Socialism compresses income quintiles, making the upper quintiles less meaningful and rewarding. The overall economic enthalpy is decreased through measures of wealth redistribution.

The reason I believe Hillary is worse than Trump:

She will be effective in enacting some of her harmful legislative agenda.
She will nominate jurists who will upset the balance.
She is anti-personal liberties, save one.
She is pro-tax hikes on income, estate and gift.
She is a war hawk, and her idea for no fly zones over Syria concerns me significantly.
She has failed significantly in foreign relations.
She will ride roughshod over the GOP if she wins the Senate.
She won't receive any scrutiny from the mainstream media and will get a pass on anything she does. (She got a pass on emailgate, Hillarycare in 93, her treatment of Bill's lovers, etc.).

She will be harmful and incrementally decrease the overall economic enthalpy.

Trump is bad and will fail for different reasons.

Trump will get nothing through the legislature. This is not inherently bad, because have plenty of legislation. The primary purpose of the Congress is to pass a Budget.
Trump will bumble through and simply fail at everything, but might

nominate better judges
won't with a GOP Congress run roughshod over it
won't increase taxes, adopt new programs, or grow government.

He would be an awful president but would receive scrutiny from his own party and from the Dems. So we would be able to stop him on whacky ideas.

Just a few points, have you missed Cruz and McCain saying they might resist any Clinton Supreme Court nominee? She won't push anyone through. It's actually kind of disgusting that Cruz would make such a hyper-partisan comment.

Hillary is more hawkish than Obama, but she is less so than Trump, who called himself "the most militaristic person I know." I'd trust Hillary with the nuclear codes before Orange Mussolini. We can't judge Clinton on everything that happened foreign policy wise during Obama's 8 years. She was Secretary of State not POTUS. Some of Obama's foreign policy failures were looking weak and feeble against Russia and China. Trump will fuck up NATO, and don't underestimate the damage a presidents words can do to our most important alliance. Trump will also be a horrifying joke on all diplomatic fronts. Like it, or not, most of the world has more respect for Clinton.

She'd get plenty of scrutiny from the mainstream media. I keep constantly hearing people kvetch about the media, but name something scandalous they haven't covered ad nauseum.

Speaking of past Clinton scandals, Michael Chertoff, who went after the Clintons during Whitewater, is voting for Hillary.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496749...nton-supporter

[Uncle Ted]

Nah, they won't split. It's not that Trump is just an idiot. He is a dictatorial, bigot who has shown himself incapable of any humility, self-restraint, policy knowledge or interest in coalition building. The man is saying he won't accept the result of an election and is spreading Alex Jones level paranoia about our democratic republic. Gary Kasparov said something like this about Trump, "calling a legitimate election illegitimate is just as dangerous as calling an illegitimate election legitimate."

Yeah, Frank, tell us how you really feel about Drumpf.

Jill Stein is a joke. I would vote for Gary Johnson over her any day. She also sucks up to Putin.

Yeah, me too.

[smokymountainrain]

Yeah, this is hilarious. National pundits gushing over the mormon voting block this election cycle for having some courage/brains/convictions and moliere and smr are worried about Utah looking too mormon.

Lol. Reading is fundamental.

I said I thought it would happen, though not sure I recall saying i was worried about it. Even bragged about voting for him myself.

[Topper]

Crap, I guess you can't vote for any politician in any race at any level. Sucks to be you.

It is difficult to select a politician. That's why social libertarian with fiscal conservative views is the best choice from a policy standpoint for me. Unfortunately, there are rarely any such candidates fitting that mold.

I am not naive, and when forced, make a selection along those lines. I was surprised to see the three languages represented in early voting as English, Spanish and Tagalog. I have many Filipino friends but didn't realize there was a high demand for voters of this language. So I voted for Libertarians, GOP and non-partisans. I did not vote for Greens, Dems or others.

Vote No on Question 1 and Yes on Question 2 btw.

[frank ryan]

What? Did those "17 intelligence agencies" all release their evidence that pins it in without any doubt on the Ruskies? Link?

Here is what ASSange sez about the Ruskies...

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When Clinton becomes president Assange is as good as dead.

are all those agencies conspiring to frame the noble Russians? There is probably some intelligence they don't want to disclose just to try to make their case in the court of 4chan. Assange isn't as good as dead btw. We'd never be so lucky.

[Topper]

Just a few points, have you missed Cruz and McCain saying they might resist any Clinton Supreme Court nominee? She won't push anyone through. It's actually kind of disgusting that Cruz would make such a hyper-partisan comment.

Hillary is more hawkish than Obama, but she is less so than Trump, who called himself "the most militaristic person I know." I'd trust Hillary with the nuclear codes before Orange Mussolini. We can't judge Clinton on everything that happened foreign policy wise during Obama's 8 years. She was Secretary of State not POTUS. Some of Obama's foreign policy failures were looking weak and feeble against Russia and China. Trump will fuck up NATO, and don't underestimate the damage a presidents words can do to our most important alliance. Trump will also be a horrifying joke on all diplomatic fronts. Like it, or not, most of the world has more respect for Clinton.

She'd get plenty of scrutiny from the mainstream media. I keep constantly hearing people kvetch about the media, but name something scandalous they haven't covered ad nauseum.

Btw, none of my disagreement with your political views are a disagreement with you as a person. I find most of my liberal and socialist friends are good people, deceived by the mistaken belief of the good will of government bureaucrats.

Speaking of past Clinton scandals, Michael Chertoff, who went after the Clintons during Whitewater, is voting for Hillary.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/06/496749...nton-supporter

1. Have I missed the comments? No. Do I believe them? Not yet. Do I think it is good policy? Not really, but if she puts forth ultra-liberal, anti-libertarian jurists, I don't see any other choice.

2. I disagree you can characterize her more hawkish than Trump because we have no idea what he really stands for. At this point, the genie is out of the bottle, and going hawkish on Putin might not be the wisest choice. We need to keep him in check. Perhaps I am naive, but I do not believe Trump would go nuclear. I only see a rogue nation such as DPK, Iran or Syria doing that. Until Clinton distances herself from Obama, I don't believe you can say, "it wasn't her fault. The failures of the Obama foreign policy are the joint fault of Obama and of Clinton."

3. The issues are discussed by the MSM, but carefully characterized in a favorable manner, whitewashing any potential blame. It often sounds like the memes from "Occupy Democrats." There is no hard look at what she does, but an apologist approach by the MSM. "Well what she did wasn't that bad....; the FBI did not recommend prosecution hence she did nothing wrong," ignoring the negative comments by the FBI.

4. Do I care who is voting for Clinton? Not really. A celebrity voting for another wealthy person is of no import. At this point, many establishment types will want to be part of the majority like other lemmings. I am only impressed by those that don't join the throng of "me toos." They probably fear the retribution of the Clintons once she is in power.