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  • #11701
    Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
    Everyone's vote should count the same.
    No, everyone's vote shouldn't count the same. That's a pure democracy. Our government is not based on a pure democracy and I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't be based on a pure democracy.

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    • #11702
      Originally posted by Applejack View Post
      How is this balance struck? The EC doesn't help Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, DC, Vermont, Alaska, HAwaii, or any of the flyover states. It basically boils the election down to "who do people in Florida and Ohio like?" That doesn't seem like Federalism.
      Ha! And JL called me dumb...


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      • #11703
        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        Ha! And JL called me dumb...
        JL may not be wrong. You can both be dumb.
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        • #11704
          Originally posted by Applejack View Post
          How does everyone's vote count the same if we don't count everyone's vote the same? If we want everyone's vote to count, let's count all the votes and be done with it. The electoral college is anachronistic-it's outlived it's usefulness.

          Here are the reasons proffered for why the EC is good so far in this thread:

          1. It makes NY and California have less power (thanks, 71)
          2. It "protects" rural voters in fly over states from something, probably liberalism.
          3. It was in the original constitution so it must be from God (again, thanks 71)
          4. It mitigates fraud (not sure how)

          Pretty sad reasons, to be honest.
          I like those reasons. I'm glad we don't live in a pure democracy.

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          • #11705
            Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
            I like those reasons. I'm glad we don't live in a pure democracy.
            So do married gays living in California and Utah!
            Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
            -General George S. Patton

            I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
            -DOCTOR Wuap

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            • #11706
              Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
              JL may not be wrong. You can both be dumb.
              But dumbness is relative


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              • #11707
                Can we divert attention from AJ's trainwreck of an argument and back to HRC's trainwreck of a campaign for a second?


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                • #11708
                  I propose that we base electoral votes on land area of each state. Physically larger states get more votes. Why should a guy that owns a 100 acre farm have the same power as a 22 year old that lives in his parents basement?


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                  • #11709
                    Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                    But dumbness is relative
                    True, it does run in families sometimes.
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • #11710
                      Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                      On Saturday he was an Army fan. That makes him my brother. Perhaps you are not a student of my posting history that we have only shared for like 1/3 of my life and I am middle aged, but loyalty is kind of a big thing to me.

                      BEAT NAVY!
                      Good grief. You make it so easy for him.
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                      • #11711
                        Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                        JL may not be wrong. You can both be dumb.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • #11712
                          The only change to the EC I could support is electoral votes being proportionate to each candidate's share of the total vote in that particular state. For example, Utah would have given 3 or 4 to Trump, 1 or 2 to Clinton, and 1 to McMullen. California - 34 to Clinton, 21 to Trump. Every vote would count, but the integrity of the EC remains.

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                          • #11713
                            Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                            I like those reasons. I'm glad we don't live in a pure democracy.
                            then the EC should be able to vote for whoever they want. The Constitution doesn't say they can't. In fact, a strict reading of it would lead you to believe it was intended to be the only body to vote for the president. Nothing about the people voting within states to decide who the electors are. So let the EC just use the popular voting results as a plausible suggestion. There is your check on democracy. The way it has actually worked for many years is merely to be a mathematical formula applied to the state by state popular vote. I don't think you can make the argument that it was intended to work that way either.
                            Last edited by BlueK; 12-14-2016, 11:52 AM.

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                            • #11714
                              Since we're talking about constitutional changes, why stop at the EC? Let's join the rest of the democratized world and go all parliamentary democracy. We can get a nominal king or queen for head of state and abolish the executive branch. Elections are easy. Whatever party wins the most seats sets the agenda, and the leader of the party becomes prime minister. Easy peasy.
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                              • #11715
                                Originally posted by USUC View Post
                                The only change to the EC I could support is electoral votes being proportionate to each candidate's share of the total vote in that particular state. For example, Utah would have given 3 or 4 to Trump, 1 or 2 to Clinton, and 1 to McMullen. California - 34 to Clinton, 21 to Trump. Every vote would count, but the integrity of the EC remains.
                                I'd go for that. It's a nice step in the right direction.

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