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  • byu71
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 22070

    #9826
    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    What is the difference between ideology and "so called principles"?
    You are the smartest guy on the board and you are asking me?

    Here is what I think, not that you really care. Tim Cane is a staunch catholic and has been anti abortion. Hillary is pro abortion to the point of allowing a woman to have one anytime and also is for the government paying for it. To me he is putting ideology above his "so called" principles.

    For sure republicans do this to, but the dems in my opinion are far more willing to do so because fundamentist religions are not part of their base.

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    • Applejack
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3812

      #9827
      Originally posted by byu71 View Post
      I think going forward it is going to be even more difficult for the republicans or anyone except a democrat to win the White House.

      Based on so called principles, evangelicals stayed home and wouldn't vote for Romney. Based on principles mormons won't vote for Trump. So many contrasting principles within the republican party.

      As for the democrats and most of the press, ideology is more important than so called principles (IMHO).
      This post doesn't make sense (IMHO).

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      • Topper
        Pre-Historic Man
        • Nov 2011
        • 11764

        #9828
        Originally posted by byu71 View Post
        I think going forward it is going to be even more difficult for the republicans or anyone except a democrat to win the White House.

        Based on so called principles, evangelicals stayed home and wouldn't vote for Romney. Based on principles mormons won't vote for Trump. So many contrasting principles within the republican party.

        As for the democrats and most of the press, ideology is more important than so called principles (IMHO).
        Democrats reflect what a growing number of voters want, to be taken care by government because they don't see the individual solutions so they want the magical solution of government sweeping down and solving all problems. They don't want market solutions or any solution with personal risk. This is the malaise of modern day voters. Perhaps it's tied to the economic singularity of automation. I 'm not certain how, but GOP ideology of austerity and limited government doesn't sell well with Millennials and new immigrants. To win, you will need to go Bernie on voters promising them things without regard to their affordability or viability.
        "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

        Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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        • Applejack
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 3812

          #9829
          Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
          Hillary will be a pretty good President. Sorry to break this news to you haters.


          Not news to me!

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          • byu71
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 22070

            #9830
            Originally posted by Applejack View Post
            This post doesn't make sense (IMHO).
            You know, perhaps I should find a place where the IQ isn't so high to hang out. I try, but apparently just to dense for this place.

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            • byu71
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 22070

              #9831
              Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
              Hillary will be a pretty good President. Sorry to break this news to you haters.
              I hope you are right.

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69482

                #9832
                Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                You are the smartest guy on the board and you are asking me?

                Here is what I think, not that you really care. Tim Cane is a staunch catholic and has been anti abortion. Hillary is pro abortion to the point of allowing a woman to have one anytime and also is for the government paying for it. To me he is putting ideology above his "so called" principles.

                For sure republicans do this to, but the dems in my opinion are far more willing to do so because fundamentist religions are not part of their base.
                Don't you think it is possible for someone to be anti-abortion and pro-choice at the same time? Maybe one of his strongly-held principles is that the government should not be making this choice for people.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • Applejack
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3812

                  #9833
                  Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                  You know, perhaps I should find a place where the IQ isn't so high to hang out. I try, but apparently just to dense for this place.
                  Don't go!!!!! PLEASE STAY!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • CardiacCoug
                    вот так штука
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 11013

                    #9834
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Don't you think it is possible for someone to be anti-abortion and pro-choice at the same time? Maybe one of his strongly-held principles is that the government should not be making this choice for people.
                    Crazy talk! If one does not drink alcohol then one must be in favor of banning alcohol. If one is not personally interested in getting gay married then one mist be against gay marriage. Have you no principles?!

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                    • Applejack
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3812

                      #9835
                      Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
                      Crazy talk! If one does not drink alcohol then one must be in favor of banning alcohol. If one is not personally interested in getting gay married then one mist be against gay marriage. Have you no so called principles?!
                      FIFY.

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                      • byu71
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22070

                        #9836
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Don't you think it is possible for someone to be anti-abortion and pro-choice at the same time? Maybe one of his strongly-held principles is that the government should not be making this choice for people.
                        The government makes choices for us all the time. The democrats are big believers in government regulations and getting involved in making decisions for us. So when they (the government) do and when they don't I would call ideology not principle.

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                        • Dwight Schr-ute
                          Members Only
                          • May 2011
                          • 4917

                          #9837



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                          I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                          • byu71
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 22070

                            #9838
                            Originally posted by Applejack View Post
                            Don't go!!!!! PLEASE STAY!!!!!!!!!!!
                            LOL, you will still have Topper to kick around.

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                            • Jeff Lebowski
                              Corporate lackey for Jesus
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 69482

                              #9839
                              Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                              The government makes choices for us all the time. The democrats are big believers in government regulations and getting involved in making decisions for us. So when they do and when they don't I would call ideology not principle.
                              So you are just filtering information as a means of confirmation bias. Figures.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • byu71
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 22070

                                #9840
                                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                So you are just filtering information as a means of confirmation bias. Figures.
                                If you say so your brilliance.

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