The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[BigFatMeanie]

If Trump wins the Republican nomination, regardless of whether he wins the presidency, I will officially change my party affiliation to Independent. I can't in good conscience affiliate with a party that would nominate Donald Trump as its candidate.

If Trump and Hillary are the nominees from the major parties I will either vote third party (maybe Libertarian? I haven't decided yet) or write-in Mitt Romney.

If either Trump or Hillary win the election I won't move out of the country but will instead try to endure their horrible presidencies as best I can.

[Moliere]

#nevertrump
#neverhillary
#maybejohnson?


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[Jeff Lebowski]

Stop this ridiculous third party talk. It will never happen.

[Moliere]

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[Moliere]

Stop this ridiculous third party talk. It will never happen.

There's already like 10 other parties. Sure, none of them have a chance in hell of winning but I'm not voting for Trump or Hillary. So I'm left either voting for a different candidate or just leaving that spot blank when I go to vote.

[Uncle Ted]

Your transformation is almost complete. Vote for Hillary, and persuade all other like-minded people to do the same. Despite UT's protestations, the libertarian party is kinda wacko. If you want the republican party to fundamentally change, vote for the person every red-blooded conservative hates more than anyone. Vote her in a landslide, and show the GOP how serious you are about your vote. Then watch how careful the GOP vets and promotes future candidates.

So you are saying that the libertarian party is "kinda wacko" when the pubs and dems candidates are Drumpf, Sanders, Cruz, Clinton,...?

[Uncle Ted]

Stop this ridiculous third party talk. It will never happen.

Yep... With Drumpf as their nominee the GOP is as good as dead. You shouldn't waste your vote on them.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yep... With Drumpf as their nominee the GOP is as good as dead. You shouldn't waste your vote on them.

Yes. As good as dead. But not quite as dead as a third party candidacy.

[USUC]

To all of you people who still bag on libertarians for being wackos, your two non-wacko parties are set to nominate Hillary and Trump as their nominees. Wacko is using the power of the state to coerce people, who may or may not disagree with you, to conform their lives to your belief system. This is at the heart of how the GOP and Democrats operate. Both parties are crony capitalist, war mongering, morality policing authoritarians.

libertarianism isn't a philosophy that is dependent on relying on a candidate that will get elected and enact the right policies from the top. Its about the change we can make in the spheres of life that we can control (ourselves). It is a philosophy of personal liberty. It is about making your own life more free. Libertarian change will happen through a decentralized, unpredictable cultural change from the bottom.

Besides, politics and the belief in the political system makes you a worse person.

Politics is nothing to be proud of. We shouldn’t believe in it, shouldn’t get excited about it. Shouldn’t think it’s noble or, worse, fun. On a good day, politics is a silly game with negative externalities. A waste of countless hours and countless minds—hours and minds that could’ve gone to productive, radical, world-changing, and life-improving pursuits. Politics, on a good day, is lost opportunities. On a bad day, it’s livelihoods and sometimes lives destroyed. It’s violence and ignorance and fear...

Politics is, at best, a blunt instrument, though perhaps an occasionally necessary one. But its use has costs, including, I believe, degradation of our character. We should resort to politics only when we have no other options, and then only reluctantly. At the very least, it should never be cause for celebration or held up as the ideal of civic virtue. In short, politics makes us worse. We’d be better people without it. Better off if we rejected the political as a means to flex our will in the world and instead made more effort to live up to our potential as rational, discoursive beings. The good life is not the life of politics and politics is, at a fundamental level, incompatible with the good life.

http://www.libertarianism.org/column...estroying-soul

[Jeff Lebowski]

To all of you people who still bag on libertarians for being wackos, your two non-wacko parties are set to nominate Hillary and Trump as their nominees. Wacko is using the power of the state to coerce people, who may or may not disagree with you, to conform their lives to your belief system. This is at the heart of how the GOP and Democrats operate. Both parties are crony capitalist, war mongering, morality policing authoritarians.

libertarianism isn't a philosophy that is dependent on relying on a candidate that will get elected and enact the right policies from the top. Its about the change we can make in the spheres of life that we can control (ourselves). It is a philosophy of personal liberty. It is about making your own life more free. Libertarian change will happen through a decentralized, unpredictable cultural change from the bottom.

Besides, politics and the belief in the political system makes you a worse person.



http://www.libertarianism.org/column...estroying-soul

To be clear, I am arguing that a third party candidate does not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a presidential election. Regardless of ideology.

[Northwestcoug]

Hillary is every bit as bad as Trump. Her careless handling of classified information is absolutely and unequivocally disqualifying, if not criminal. She's absolutely subject to blackmail from foreign actors who hacked her server and is a national security risk. Add that to the reality that the IC loathes and resents her because she's publicly done something that would get a rookie analyst banned from government work and probably jailed. Lost in that is how she kept a private server just to avoid FOIA requirements.

She was an awful Secretary of State. There isn't a country where the relationship was significantly strengthened after her four years, which was an impressive feat considering America's standing after Bush's second term.

I think she's more dishonest than her husband and as shady as Nixon. While Trump is delusional and dishonest, she's deeply corrupt and dishonest. She's so incredibly unappealing as a person and a candidate that a useless old white man socialist is giving her a run for her money.

Though I'm a fervent #nevertrump, I'm equally committed to #neverhillary. Both of them can eat shit and I resent the hell out of both parties for enabling these assholes. Here's the thing. I still stand firm that she won't ever be President of the United States. I could well be in denial, but if there ever was a chance for a third party candidate to rise it's now.

And you're saying this disqualifies her from the presidency, how?

I cannot argue with honest convictions. My 'unite behind Hillary' vote is somewhat TIC, though I'm serious I will do just that should Trump be the nominee. I'm just trying to figure out how I can vote republican again without being embarrassed, and I don't think the GOP has realized how fundamentally unpopular they are right now. I think it will take a long sojourn in the wilderness before the GOP is ready to win elections again. If somehow the party survives a contested convention and nominates anyone but Trump, it will not see the need to transform itself. I do think a landslide Hillary win will hasten that transformation, especially if voters like me defect the GOP en masse.

[USUC]

To be clear, I am arguing that a third party candidate does not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a presidential election. Regardless of ideology.

I certainly agree.

[Northwestcoug]

So you are saying that the libertarian party is "kinda wacko" when the pubs and dems candidates are Drumpf, Sanders, Cruz, Clinton,...?

Let me be clear, much of the libertarian platform resonates with me. When Gillespie and Harsanyi write political pieces, I don't find much to argue with. But the national Libertarian organization as a viable political party? Um, no. Not yet anyways.

[Maximus]

To be clear, I am arguing that a third party candidate does not have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a presidential election. Regardless of ideology.

if the right independent ran, there is a slight possibility of getting enough votes to prevent anyone from getting 270

[Moliere]

if the right independent ran, there is a slight possibility of getting enough votes to prevent anyone from getting 270

Where's that pic of Mitt riding in on the white horse??