The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[Jeff Lebowski]

Who is "you all"? If Cruz is the nominee, I would probably really hold my nose and vote for say Hillary.

Not voting is a form of participation in democracy. Isn't democracy allowing one to vote for one person or if one chooses vote for no one? The dictatorial countries are the ones with the very high voter participation rates.

lol. No it isn't.

[byu71]

lol. No it isn't.

So in your world, in a democracy you have to vote to be a participant. Does your non vote count. Dang rights it does. Ask Romney.

Is a protest participating in democracy?

[San Juan Sun]

So in your world, in a democracy you have to vote to be a participant. Does your non vote count. Dang rights it does. Ask Romney.

Is a protest participating in democracy?

Kim Jong Lebowski 71

[TripletDaddy]

So because there are extremists on both sides, you all are going to abandon participating in democracy? Oh brother.

Not voting is extreme.

Not caring about the daily grind of partisan politics is reasonable and healthy.

[Moliere]

There's a good chance I will vote for Hillary. I understand all the hate for Hillary but I don't agree with it. I don't think she is that far off from Mitt. I would describe both as pragmatists and I believe both would make good presidents.

I'll likely do the same. She much more experienced than Obama and much more pragmatic. If the GOP gives us a bible thumping idealist then I'll almost definitely go the Dem route.

[imanihonjin]

Not voting is extreme.

Not caring about the daily grind of partisan politics is reasonable and healthy.

I wouldn't say it was extreme. In fact, one could argue that voting a presidential race is not only more extreme, but irrational.

[old_gregg]

i'm assuming all of you that vote also buy lottery tickets on a regular basis?

[Northwestcoug]

i'm assuming all of you that vote also buy lottery tickets on a regular basis?

Well that does it for all the national elections for the rest of my life. Thanks a lot.

[Topper]

71 shame on you.

Hillary is wrong on monetary-fiscal policies and wrong on foreign policy. Those are all that matter.

[Topper]

Well she is also wrong on personal liberties.

[Topper]

Not voting is extreme.

Not caring about the daily grind of partisan politics is reasonable and healthy.

I respectfully disagree.

In politics, there are the players and the victims. Victims include those who don't vote and those who do vote but don't contribute money and participate in the process. If you are not a player, then it doesn't matter if you vote or don't vote. Being on the inside is all that matters. And Hillary is the penultimate insider. Bill and she have profited tremendously from this strategy. So has Warren Buffett. Most of us cannot be players to those levels, but unless we participate, we will not benefit. So what does it matter as old gregg points out if we play the lottery or not?

[TripletDaddy]

I respectfully disagree.

In politics, there are the players and the victims. Victims include those who don't vote and those who do vote but don't contribute money and participate in the process. If you are not a player, then it doesn't matter if you vote or don't vote. Being on the inside is all that matters. And Hillary is the penultimate insider. Bill and she have profited tremendously from this strategy. So has Warren Buffett. Most of us cannot be players to those levels, but unless we participate, we will not benefit. So what does it matter as old gregg points out if we play the lottery or not?

I dont disagree with that. I was referencing those of that live outside of the proverbial Beltway. The average joe being really serious about politics to the point of arguing about it and being "worried" when one person is elected over another....I dont get it. for insiders that stand to benefit directly from the election of one person or another, sure I get it.

[Topper]

I dont disagree with that. I was referencing those of that live outside of the proverbial Beltway. The average joe being really serious about politics to the point of arguing about it and being "worried" when one person is elected over another....I dont get it. for insiders that stand to benefit directly from the election of one person or another, sure I get it.

But you can benefit from the inside in your own community, at the city, county or state level. Everybody has a vested interest in something. IF you engage in party politics, you can grease the wheels that benefit you.

Addressing your other point, it is a cultural practice to complain about politics. It's something, if you don't participate, that's outside your control.

[byu71]

71 shame on you.

Hillary is wrong on monetary-fiscal policies and wrong on foreign policy. Those are all that matter.

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely not a fan of Hilliary. However, I believe she will be more like her husband and won't be principled and stick to her convictions come hell or high water. I believe Romney is the same way. Bill Clinton the same way and for that matter so was Reagan.

Cruz seems to be a my way or the highway guy and I am not a fan of the far right and their agenda.

Now if it was Cruz vs Obama, yuk, but I would vote for Cruz. I would rather wallow through extreme right wing shit than extreme left wing shit.

[Topper]

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely not a fan of Hilliary. However, I believe she will be more like her husband and won't be principled and stick to her convictions come hell or high water. I believe Romney is the same way. Bill Clinton the same way and for that matter so was Reagan.

Cruz seems to be a my way or the highway guy and I am not a fan of the far right and their agenda.

Now if it was Cruz vs Obama, yuk, but I would vote for Cruz. I would rather wallow through extreme right wing shit than extreme left wing shit.

I believe she is more rigid ideologically, and her monetary-fiscal policy is atrocious. Moreover, her anti-Second Amendment rhetoric is downright fascist. I've not see anything she did well in her stint as Secretary of State. I admit she is the current frontrunner. I am only pleased by the fact that recent frontrunners have not been elected.