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  • scottie
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 5247

    #106

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    • Omaha 680
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 11174

      #107
      Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
      The IRS came out with a projection on the costs to a family of four for a "bronze plan" under Obamacare. From what I can gather, that's the minimum cost to be a compliant health plan under Obamacare.

      Oh yeah, that minimum cost? $20,000.00. Please tell me this is wrong. Good freaking hell. I really want this to be wrong.

      I have health insurance similar to what ER has cited he has and I sure as hell don't want to be paying about...um...over $17,000 more per year. I'll just pay the damn tax to the IRS.

      Assholes -- now we know what it's in it you old hag -- almost three years later.
      Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster.

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      • DU Ute
        RIP CUF
        • Dec 2008
        • 7393

        #108
        *cough* bullshit *cough*
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        • Uncle Ted
          The Big 12 money shot.
          • Apr 2010
          • 28853

          #109
          Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
          The IRS came out with a projection on the costs to a family of four for a "bronze plan" under Obamacare. From what I can gather, that's the minimum cost to be a compliant health plan under Obamacare.

          Oh yeah, that minimum cost? $20,000.00. Please tell me this is wrong. Good freaking hell. I really want this to be wrong.

          I have health insurance similar to what ER has cited he has and I sure as hell don't want to be paying about...um...over $17,000 more per year. I'll just pay the damn tax to the IRS.

          Assholes -- now we know what it's in it you old hag -- almost three years later.

          It seems that the IRS just made an assumption that it would cost a family of five $20,000/year. Of course, I personally pay about $11,000 per year for health (and dental) insurance that has a very high deductible (for a family that is overall in very good heath) so this assumption may not be far off.




          [...]

          The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

          The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

          “The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

          Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

          In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.

          To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.

          In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.

          Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.

          [...]
          I predict that Obamacare will help a lot more people will figure out that kids are very expensive and so more will stop having them. Without large future working generation social programs such social security and medicare will be even more underfunded. You youngsters are screwed but at least we have a hip president.
          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • byu71
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 22070

            #110
            From my limited view, I am seeing actual small businesses looking at ways to close up shop. Of course the one that is most beneficial to them is to find a buyer.

            Seems to me the buyer who can make the best offer is not a "small business", but a big business.

            The reason these small business owners have decided to go this route is due to Obamacare and Obama taxation policies.

            In my opinion Obama's pushing small business toward being consumed by big business is not a healthy sign for future employment growth.

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            • Uncle Ted
              The Big 12 money shot.
              • Apr 2010
              • 28853

              #111
              Obama's Rules for Assassinating American Citizens...

              For over a year now journalists, civil liberties advocates, and members of Congress have been asking the Obama administration to release internal memoranda from the Office of Legal Counsel justifying Obama's targeted killing program. While the White House continues to deny that such memos exist, NBC is reporting that it has acquired the next best thing: A secretish 16-page white paper from the Department of Justice that was provided to select members of the Senate last June.

              [...]

              [T]he confidential Justice Department “white paper” introduces a more expansive definition of self-defense or imminent attack than described by Brennan or Holder in their public speeches. It refers, for example, to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than actual intelligence about any ongoing plot against the U.S. homeland.

              Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”
              For over a year now journalists, civil liberties advocates, and members of Congress have been asking the Obama administration to...


              Pre-crime for americans...

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              If they look like a threat then drone bomb them.
              Last edited by Uncle Ted; 02-05-2013, 05:36 AM.
              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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              • Uncle Ted
                The Big 12 money shot.
                • Apr 2010
                • 28853

                #112
                Jon Stewart: Obama Only Transparent About The Last Guy's Secrets

                Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show" addresses a leaked government document that details the legal argument supporting the president's use of drones to kill eventual Al Qaeda suspects.

                "We don't mind you knowing about shit that we do, once we don't do it anymore. We're happy to share irrelevant information with the public. We told you we were going to be transparent, we just didn't tell you it was going to be about the last guy's secrets," Stewart said in a tone that mocked the Obama White House.
                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • il Padrino Ute
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19161

                  #113
                  It just keeps getting worse and worse for Obama. Strike two against NLRB (fake) recess appointments.
                  "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                  "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                  • YOhio
                    Hipster Mode
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 26165

                    #114

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                    • Moliere
                      One man.....one pie
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 27824

                      #115


                      Founding founders??

                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • il Padrino Ute
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 19161

                        #116
                        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                        Politically correct dumbasses.

                        I have a difficult time thinking that Martha Washington, Abigail Adams, Martha Jefferson, et aliae would be offended by the words "Founding Fathers".

                        I'm starting to think that the wussification of this country is so great that it can never recover.
                        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                        "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                        • Color Me Badd Fan
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 12519

                          #117
                          Meanwhile on the foreign policy front, everything is going really well:

                          Could the Obama administration in its second term be making a series of Middle East policy mistakes even more expensive and destructive than those the Bush administration made in its first? That is admittedly a high bar, but the trends are unsettling to say the least. The region is unraveling and American policy is in …
                          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                          • Pelado
                            Bald not naked
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 21107

                            #118
                            The administration is facing a crisis of competence. At a time when trust in government is already at an all-time low, the events of this past week illustrate the limits of this president's power. The White House seems more comfortable stage-managing the news than dealing with the uncomfortable crises that inevitably crop up. (If there's anything to learn from the Benghazi crisis, it was the administration's attentiveness to detail in how to avoid blame in the aftermath of the crisis but a lack of focus in how to react as the crisis was occurring.)
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                            • Goatnapper'96
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 10920

                              #119
                              I think there is a cold reality dawning upon Americans. Those on the left can blame Bush and those on the right can blame President Obama but the US has as little international clout as it has had since the WWII. That is not to say the criticisms of both are without merit, just that I think the world has changed and our ability to influence it is not what it used to be. The causes go way beyond "starting two wars without paying for it" and bowing to some foreign monarch. We have yet to figure out new alliances and seem less than capable of uniting around consistent goals. I think the root is in our own people.
                              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                              -General George S. Patton

                              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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                              • il Padrino Ute
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 19161

                                #120
                                Now what happens? This is Obama's guy; the one who has been getting Obama's support.
                                "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


                                "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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