Obama v. Romney Debate Thread, Part III

[Portland Ute]

I'm more looking forward to the all out meltdown on Facebook and other places. Too bad the election isn't on a Friday or Saturday since most people can't hold a meltdown for 5 whole days....well maybe some of the Tea Party people can. I guess I'll find out!

If for no other reason, I'd like Mitt to win to see the national and international focus on the LDS church continue.

I think it would be a refiners fire of sorts for the church.

[Goatnapper'96]

If for no other reason, I'd like Mitt to win to see the national and international focus on the LDS church continue.

I think it would be a refiners fire of sorts for the church.

I am getting a kick out of the hope some of the more progressive mormons have that this will force the Church to be created, or more closely aligned to, in the image they would like. I think many are going to be surprised by how little people care about Mitt being Mormon by next March and how little the Church changes in it refiners fire of 90 days of attention until everyone stops caring about Mitt's religion and starts caring about where he stands on some issue.

I will say that my in laws are in Alabama and are convinced it is opening up opportunities for exposure that never existed, but they are pillartypes and them folk are wired to see that at all times.

[Goatnapper'96]

At this point it doesn't matter if he lies, is Muslim or is a Communist/Socialist or uses Michelle's backside as a trampoline. His policies have been an abject failure and he's done absolutely NOTHING to give any reason to believe the next 4 years will be any different.

You sound like me. People have carried on about every issue this election but the fundamentals don't change. Football is about blocking and tackling. Presidential campaigns where an incumbent is running is about whether the electorate wants to fire the incumbent and then whether or not the challenger is acceptable. Give Messina and crew some props they took one of the most abysmal first term US Presidents and kept him in the game until the first debate so resoundingly blew up their campaign against Mitt. They did brilliant defining him for the American people but eventually most of the electorate, or at least those who are not similar ideologues to Obama, caught onto the reality that Mitt is not an ogre just as they caught onto the reality that Obama has been an abysmal failure. But the Obama campaign to the only angle at their disposal, given the near unanimous disapointment with the Obama Presidency, and rode it as hard as it could be rode.

[Jennerstein]

I miss the Tim that posted awesome restaurant reviews. Pineapple Island Style BBQ ftw. I'd actually be willing to read through his political posts if he contributed awesome restaurant reviews. Too bad he is NC and I am in CA.

[myboynoah]

I don't think he lies. But I also think he has been an awful President of the US. I think it is because "he did his best..but his best wasn't good enough" is what is going to get him unelected.

Lying SOB, abject failure as a president, kowtower to other countries, leader from behind, community organizer, I don't care what we call him. If re-elected, he's promised he'll work real hard for us.

Another example of an Obama lie, which he should know better

Woodward reports in his book that White House Office of Management Director Jack Lew and Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors took the proposal for sequestration to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and then it was presented to congressional Republicans.

During the debate, however, Obama said the idea originated on Capitol Hill.

“First of all, the sequester is not something that I've proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed,” Obama said, adding his strongest pronouncement to date on its future: “It will not happen.”

Woodward said there’s a possibility the president was unaware of how the idea came about.

“It’s a complicated process — and in fairness to the president — maybe he didn’t know that they were doing this because it’s kind of technical budget jargon,” Woodward said.

“What I wrote — it’s specific date, time, place, participants,” he said. “What I’ve reported is totally accurate. Call Nabors and Lew. Or ask the White House. I mean, they know that’s accurate.”

Still, briefing reporters Tuesday aboard Air Force One, White House press secretary Jay Carney continued to blame sequestration on Congress.

Okay, maybe we need to add "clueless as to what is going on in his own White House" to the list of monikers.

[myboynoah]

Let me help all of you: InTrade is an effing joke.

Perhaps. Anyway, it has skewed away from Obama in a significant way today.

[Viking]

Let me help all of you: InTrade is an effing joke.

So is the stock market. But that's not the point.

[pellegrino]

I miss the Tim that posted awesome restaurant reviews. Pineapple Island Style BBQ ftw. I'd actually be willing to read through his political posts if he contributed awesome restaurant reviews. Too bad he is NC and I am in CA.

Tim has had to pick up Calicoug's slack. Where is that guy anyway?

[dabrockster]

I didn't mean that as a negative, CJF: Being a part of CB and living in Utah gave me a lot more exposure to conservative ideals than I had ever seen before. I was president of the Republican Club at my high school but it was more of a unique "Southern California Republican" kind of thing. Living in Utah led me to see what true American conservativism is like, and I found that it didn't really represent the political beliefs that I had. The move leftward was a result of realizing that I wasn't REALLY a conservative. It wasn't like I was TRYING TO DISTINGUISH MYSELF from them. I just realized I wasn't really one of them.

Is Romney corrupt? No. Neither is Obama. Some people here like to be melodramatic about this particular President, though, and they don't appear to want a "discussion" of ideals. I'm just trying to fit in my keeping the tone of discourse here consistent.

I find the above comment in bold to be misguided.. If you believe that Utah is the "True American Conservatisim standard" then I tend to think you are sheltered and should lookoutside of CB, CUF, to have a conversation with a person who considers themself conservative....

Now, if you would of called it the "True Mormon Conservatism Standard" I would agreed with your maturation in becoming more left (I'd rather say more Independent in your views of politics)..

Utah is a bubble in every sense of the word.. In Politics as well...



Either way, your above post leads me to think you movement towards your current view of politics was more out of irrritation to the over-opinionated Mormons you dealt with during your time in Utah...

[Tim]

I find the above comment in bold to be misguided.. If you believe that Utah is the "True American Conservatisim standard" then I tend to think you are sheltered and should lookoutside of CB, CUF, to have a conversation with a person who considers themself conservative....

Right, because I've never talked politics with any conservative outside of CB or CUF. Good thing you caught that and nailed me to the wall on that one! LOL.

Either way, your above post leads me to think you movement towards your current view of politics was more out of irrritation to the over-opinionated Mormons you dealt with during your time in Utah...

You can think whatever you want -- I've presented the facts about myself. If you choose to not pay attention to those facts or to invent your own, that's on you. Hopefully at some point I'll also have the opportunity to invent new facts about you!

[dabrockster]

Right, because I've never talked politics with any conservative outside of CB or CUF. Good thing you caught that and nailed me to the wall on that one! LOL.



You can think whatever you want -- I've presented the facts about myself. If you choose to not pay attention to those facts or to invent your own, that's on you. Hopefully at some point I'll also have the opportunity to invent new facts about you!

Tim,

My comments were based on one stated comment yous made that was the base for your maturation to thinking differently in politics. It seemed to begin in Utah and I was merely pointing out how that base for change is great in your development o politics that it might be a good idea to broaden that base.. Sounds like you have and good for you..

My additional comment again was based off of the bolded statement as well. Look, it wasn't meant to irritate you or construct some facts that you think I made up.. I guess it was more of a affirmation that "I get it".. Having lived in Utah and grown weary of that bubble it was nice to spread my wings and get out of there.. I have had my own change in what I view in many aspects of my life including politics..

FYI: Not every post is meant to be an attack...

[Tim]

Tim,

My comments were based on one stated comment yous made that was the base for your maturation to thinking differently in politics. It seemed to begin in Utah and I was merely pointing out how that base for change is great in your development o politics that it might be a good idea to broaden that base.. Sounds like you have and good for you..

My additional comment again was based off of the bolded statement as well. Look, it wasn't meant to irritate you or construct some facts that you think I made up.. I guess it was more of a affirmation that "I get it".. Having lived in Utah and grown weary of that bubble it was nice to spread my wings and get out of there.. I have had my own change in what I view in many aspects of my life including politics..

FYI: Not every post is meant to be an attack...

Whatever, man. You should be more careful about presenting your own conclusions as if they were fact. Just as a friendly tip: when someone in your community shares their reasons for doing something, your best bet is to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they know their reasons far better than you ever will. Leave it at that.

[Moliere]

You are a sexy beast that sends a tingle up my leg.. (quote was edited)

Just for your own education Tim, this one was presented as a fact. Now you can honestly complain about him making up facts.

[dabrockster]

I lashed out at Tim. It was mean.. I am removing it.. Tim and I have a history but in the end I do not want to make such statements about a person here. Tim is a good person..


Those who have it in their post can you please remove it as well. Thanks..

[Tim]

I lashed out at Tim. It was mean.. I am removing it.. Tim and I have a history but in the end I do not want to make such statements about a person here. Tim is a good person..


Those who have it in their post can you please remove it as well. Thanks..

I've also apologized in private to dabrockster, and I'll do so here as well. I didn't intend to be hurtful. I made a mistake.