Obama v. Romney Debate Thread, Part III

[San Juan Sun]

...I was TRYING TO DISTINGUISH MYSELF from them...

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

I'm not being critical, but it's just my uneducated, possibly false, observation that you like to go against the grain of the community you're in.

That's not a bad thing, you need people to go against the flow. I just see you as being sometimes more contrarian than a committed leftist in principle.

[Tim]

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

I'm not being critical, but it's just my uneducated, possibly false, observation that you like to go against the grain of the community you're in.

That's not a bad thing, you need people to go against the flow. I just see you as being sometimes more contrarian than a committed leftist in principle.

I specifically just said that I *wasn't* trying to go against the grain. Why would you so brazenly distort my words?

But you're right about the last sentence, at least in part: I'm not a committed leftist. I'm a committed centrist. In a place like CUF and CB, that means leaning left to balance out the extremity of people like CMBF and IPU.

[Uncle Ted]

I didn't mean that as a negative, CJF: Being a part of CB and living in Utah gave me a lot more exposure to conservative ideals than I had ever seen before. I was president of the Republican Club at my high school but it was more of a unique "Southern California Republican" kind of thing. Living in Utah led me to see what true American conservativism is like, and I found that it didn't really represent the political beliefs that I had. The move leftward was a result of realizing that I wasn't REALLY a conservative. It wasn't like I was TRYING TO DISTINGUISH MYSELF from them. I just realized I wasn't really one of them.

Yes, Utah Republicans drove me away from that party as well. I still can't talk about that SoB Hatch without swearing.

Is Romney corrupt? No. Neither is Obama. Some people here like to be melodramatic about this particular President, though, and they don't appear to want a "discussion" of ideals. I'm just trying to fit in my keeping the tone of discourse here consistent.

No, they are both corrupt. Rmoney has to be corrupt because he is a capitalist and Obama is corrupt because he is from Chicago. So by the Democrat's and Republican's definitions of corruption they are corrupt. If you want someone that is not corrupt then look at Gary Johnson. Anyone that has climbed Mount Everest and nearly lost his toes to frostbite can't be corrupt. Maybe a little crazy but not corrupt.

[All-American]

No, they are both corrupt. Rmoney has to be corrupt because he is a capitalist and Obama is corrupt because he is from Chicago.

Hey, now.

[il Padrino Ute]

I specifically just said that I *wasn't* trying to go against the grain. Why would you so brazenly distort my words?

But you're right about the last sentence, at least in part: I'm not a committed leftist. I'm a committed centrist. In a place like CUF and CB, that means leaning left to balance out the extremity of people like CMBF and IPU.

Good hell, Tim. I'll admit that I am far right, but it's nowhere near the extreme that you are to the left. Your political God is Obama and you worship at his alter, then get upset with me because I don't do the same.

That's fine, but at least be honest about yourself.

[Uncle Ted]

Tim, don't be like calicoug. I don't read his posts in any political threads.

I miss Cali.

[falafel]

That doesn't make any sense, though! Why is it that a chorus of people can say that Obama is corrupt, and we can have thread after thread after thread of people piling on unnecessarily, but in ONE RESPONSE I point out a potential bit of Romney's corruption and my "approach" is called into question? Do we only allow an approach that celebrates Romney and rips on the current President? It's like 100 people versus me and you guys think *I'm* the one who needs to check my approach?!?

Its your style more than your substance, Tim. Your posts come across a bit like a raving lunatic.

[Portland Ute]

I didn't mean that as a negative, CJF: Being a part of CB and living in Utah gave me a lot more exposure to conservative ideals than I had ever seen before. I was president of the Republican Club at my high school but it was more of a unique "Southern California Republican" kind of thing. Living in Utah led me to see what true American conservativism is like, and I found that it didn't really represent the political beliefs that I had. The move leftward was a result of realizing that I wasn't REALLY a conservative. It wasn't like I was TRYING TO DISTINGUISH MYSELF from them. I just realized I wasn't really one of them.

Is Romney corrupt? No. Neither is Obama. Some people here like to be melodramatic about this particular President, though, and they don't appear to want a "discussion" of ideals. I'm just trying to fit in my keeping the tone of discourse here consistent.

So in liberal southern CA, you joined the Republican Club as a "unique" sort of thing.

Then you move to UTah and attend BYU and become a democrat to be a "unique" sort of thing.

Quick! Get Tim back to CA or MA! Romney can get his vote and still win this thing!

Rebel, rebel, your face is a mess!

[Uncle Ted]

Hey, now.

Let me rephrase that... By the republican definition any democrat from Chicago is corrupt.

[San Juan Sun]

I specifically just said that I *wasn't* trying to go against the grain. Why would you so brazenly distort my words?

Simple mistake, my bad. I guess I was just highlighting my impression of you after watching all of your battles on CB. I still think you like to play the contrarian.

But you're right about the last sentence, at least in part: I'm not a committed leftist. I'm a committed centrist. In a place like CUF and CB, that means leaning left to balance out the extremity of people like CMBF and IPU.

Centrism is not a term that can be applied to Barack Obama's administration or ideology. We're not talking about Bill Clinton here.

Again, I'm confused why you'd feel the need to balance anything/anyone out? It's like you idolize balance, especially in the context of other people's viewpoints, over just saying what you really think.

[Tim]

So in liberal southern CA, you joined the Republican Club as a "unique" sort of thing.

Then you move to UTah and attend BYU and become a democrat to be a "unique" sort of thing.

Quick! Get Tim back to CA or MA! Romney can get his vote and still win this thing!

Rebel, rebel, your face is a mess!

No, I was raised a Republican by my Southern California Republican parents. I never really made that choice -- I was taught that we were Republicans so I became a Republican. Once I got to college I started to explore my beliefs, though. I developed not only a testimony of the savior for the first time but I also slowly developed an awareness that I wasn't really a far-right conservative. I didn't become a Democrat until I moved to North Carolina and had to register to vote. Even here in NC, Democrats are generally more centrist than leftist.

[Tim]

Good hell, Tim. I'll admit that I am far right, but it's nowhere near the extreme that you are to the left. Your political God is Obama and you worship at his alter, then get upset with me because I don't do the same.

That's fine, but at least be honest about yourself.

That's simply untrue, and you have no basis for saying that. If anything I've consistently suggested that I'm not really that big of an Obama supporter. I'm more of a Hillary supporter. If given the choice between Obama and Romney, though, I choose Obama.

[Tim]

Its your style more than your substance, Tim. Your posts come across a bit like a raving lunatic.

There's nothing I can do about your perception. I'm carrying the tone of CUF forward consistently, so it's interesting that you only see me as the raving lunatic.

[ERCougar]

Is Romney corrupt? No. Neither is Obama. Some people here like to be melodramatic about this particular President, though, and they don't appear to want a "discussion" of ideals. I'm just trying to fit in my keeping the tone of discourse here consistent.

Lol.
Again, started off good. Now awesome.

[Tim]

Simple mistake, my bad. I guess I was just highlighting my impression of you after watching all of your battles on CB. I still think you like to play the contrarian.



Centrism is not a term that can be applied to Barack Obama's administration or ideology. We're not talking about Bill Clinton here.

And since I've consistently said that I'm not really pro-Obama, it would make sense, wouldn't it? It really feels like you continue to base your assumptions of who I am and what I believe on what people like IPU and CMBF say, not what I myself say... because I've regularly said that I'm not the biggest Obama fan. When are you going to take that into your mind and stop making poor assumptions about me? Why do I have to suffer from your inability to keep track of things?