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  • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
    I guess it's possible that at some point in his career that Stevens had been an intelligence officer (Donald Gregg, the Ambassador to Korea some years back, was a former intelligence officer), but it would make no sense for him to be working as an intelligence officer while serving as Ambassador.
    Stevens seemed to be doing a lot of CIA-ish things if the following is true:

    Ambassador Stevens was directly involved in arming the rebels, reported Egyptian security officials speaking to WND. Those officials claimed Stevens played a central role in recruiting jihadists to fight Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria.

    The officials further claimed Stevens served as a key contact with the Saudis to coordinate the recruitment by Saudi Arabia of Islamic fighters from North Africa and Libya. The jihadists were sent to Syria via Turkey to attack Assad’s forces, said the security officials.

    The Egyptian security officials said Stevens also worked with the Saudis to send names of potential jihadi recruits to U.S. security organizations for review. Names found to be directly involved in previous attacks against the U.S., including in Iraq and Afghanistan, were ultimately not recruited by the Saudis to fight in Syria, said the officials.
    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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    • Wow.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...k-sources-say/

      Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to "stand down."

      Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.
      At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.
      One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

      Woot

      I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
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      • Unreal. Drones above. Spectre in the area. And we do nothing.
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        • I think we are now at a point where the MSM will have to report. Right?
          ( FYI I most likely wrote that incoherently and will be properly corrected forthwith. Thanks)

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          • So who's supposed to make the call to send backup? Given that it's Libya and not a country we're at war with, did Obama have to be notified and did he have to give the go ahead?
            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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            • Originally posted by Surfah View Post
              Unreal. Drones above. Spectre in the area. And we do nothing.
              I'll withhold judgment until they have a chance to explain, but that is shocking.

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              • Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                I'll withhold judgment until they have a chance to explain, but that is shocking.
                Me too. I think they will spin, I mean explain, sometime next February.

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                • Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                  I'll withhold judgment until they have a chance to explain, but that is shocking.
                  Why explain if no one knows about it other than people that read foxnews and drudge?
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                    Why explain if no one knows about it other than people that read foxnews and drudge?
                    Because this administration is the most transparent in modern political history! Their explanations to this point on the matter have been clear and forthright. UD is right to give them the benefit of the doubt because they have earned his , and our, trust. To suggest anything else is cynical and partisan.

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                    • Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                      Unreal. Drones above. Spectre in the area. And we do nothing.
                      This is unbelievable. It is like something out of a spy thriller. I wonder who in the chain of command made the call to do nothing.

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                      • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                        Because this administration is the most transparent in modern political history! Their explanations to this point on the matter have been clear and forthright. UD is right to give them the benefit of the doubt because they have earned his , and our, trust. To suggest anything else is cynical and partisan.
                        Well, here is what they told Ty Woods Father:

                        “When [Obama] came over to our little area” at Andrew Air Force Base, says Woods, “he kind of just mumbled, you know, ‘I’m sorry.’ His face was looking at me, but his eyes were looking over my shoulder like he could not look me in the eye. And it was not a sincere, ‘I’m really sorry, you know, that your son died,’ but it was totally insincere, more of whining type, ‘I’m sorry.’”

                        Woods says that shaking President Obama’s hands at his son’s memorial service was “like shaking hands with a dead fish.”

                        “It just didn’t feel right,” he says of his encounter with the commander in chief. “And now that it’s coming out that apparently the White House situation room was watching our people die in real time, as this was happening,” Woods says, he wants answers on what happened—and why there was no apparent effort to save his son’s life.

                        “Well, this is what Hillary did,” Woods continues. “She came over and, you know, did the same thing—separately came over and talked with me. I gave her a hug, shook her hand. And she did not appear to be one bit sincere—at all. And you know, she mentioned that the thing about, we’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video. That was the first time I had even heard about anything like that.”
                        One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

                        Woot

                        I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
                        SU

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                        • I thought the networks and CNN were covering this but I just checked out the websites for CNN, CBS and ABC and didn't find a single mention. Perhaps they need several hours to update their news website. I didn't even bother checking out NBC. It's truly shameful that these outlets are ignoring this story.
                          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                          • Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                            Unreal. Drones above. Spectre in the area. And we do nothing.
                            Getting reelected is Obama's only priority. He can't let a little thing like a failed foreign policy stop him from a 2nd term.
                            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


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                            • Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty (Who went against orders to save American Lives) were killed some 7 hours AFTER the initial attack in the CIA Safehouse.. Unbelievable..



                              Tyrone Woods was later joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty, who was sent in from Tripoli as part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.
                              Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2AQy7rBgU

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                              • With drones overhead, I don't understand why this administrations didn't use them.
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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