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  • byu71
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 22070

    #31
    Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
    FTA:
    I don't doubt many scientists believe in global warming. They may be right and they may be wrong. The ones promoting global cooling were also well credentialed.

    I believe the earth has climate cycles and I think man has very little to do with it.

    Now cows flagilating, someone may be onto something there.

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    • Goatnapper'96
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 10927

      #32
      I think you need work harder at being a skeptic. Are you apostatizing from their clique too?
      Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
      -General George S. Patton

      I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
      -DOCTOR Wuap

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      • Uncle Ted
        The Big 12 money shot.
        • Apr 2010
        • 28853

        #33
        Originally posted by byu71 View Post
        I don't doubt many scientists believe in global warming. They may be right and they may be wrong. The ones promoting global cooling were also well credentialed.

        I believe the earth has climate cycles and I think man has very little to do with it.

        Now cows flagilating, someone may be onto something there.
        Or it might be caused by all that dust coming from Asia...

        WASHINGTON — Dust and aerosol pollution from Asia travels across the ocean and sullies the air in the United States and Canada, possibly worsening the effects of climate change, a NASA-backed study showed Thursday.
        About half of the aerosol particles in North America come from foreign sources, and most are just from naturally occurring dust rather than from burning coal or other fossil fuels, said the research published in the journal Science.

        About 64 million tons of dust, pollution and other particles that have potential climate and human health effects survive a trans-ocean journey to arrive over North America each year, the space agency said.

        [...]

        The imported aerosols could be harming the environment by absorbing radiation from the sun, altering cloud formation along with rain and snow patterns, and speeding snow melt in the western US mountains, said the study.

        Aerosols can have a cooling effect by reflecting sunlight back to space. The researchers found that imported particles account for one third of the reduction in solar radiation, or solar dimming, over North America.

        "Globally this can mask some of the warming we expect from greenhouse gases," said co-author Lorraine Remer, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Maryland.
        Oh, wait, the dust might be a good thing.
        "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
        "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
        "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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        • DapperDan
          Whut?
          • Mar 2010
          • 1132

          #34
          I was pretty skeptical, but you won me over with that last link.

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          • clackamascoug
            Banned
            • Dec 2009
            • 9709

            #35
            Originally posted by Babs View Post
            Sooner born and Sooner bred. I only moved to Austin to go to UT. (I know, I know.)
            You know I'm going to bug you till you open the kimono. Do you want to do it publicly, or privately? Inquiring minds need to know.

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            • lambdacoug
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 3981

              #36
              Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
              I was pretty skeptical, but you won me over with that last link.
              Glad I included it then!
              Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
              - Howard Aiken

              Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
              - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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              • lambdacoug
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 3981

                #37
                Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                I don't doubt many scientists believe in global warming. They may be right and they may be wrong. The ones promoting global cooling were also well credentialed.

                I believe the earth has climate cycles and I think man has very little to do with it.

                Now cows flagilating, someone may be onto something there.
                I agree the earth has climate cycles. That doesn't rule out man made climate change and I believe better safe than sorry would be the smart move here. We have the technology to vastly reduce emissions and the best science of the day points to the conclusion that we are at least a significant contributor to the problem.
                Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                - Howard Aiken

                Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                • lambdacoug
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 3981

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                  I think you need work harder at being a skeptic. Are you apostatizing from their clique too?
                  That is not all I have read on the topic by a long shot, just what i could find with a quick google search. I certainly hope you didn't think that was all I based my opinion on.
                  Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                  - Howard Aiken

                  Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                  - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                  • Babs
                    Not a Lawyer
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 17128

                    #39
                    Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                    You know I'm going to bug you till you open the kimono. Do you want to do it publicly, or privately? Inquiring minds need to know.
                    Have we met? That's awfully crass of you. I think I'm gonna opt out of your little cosplay thing, but I'm sure you can find someone to fill you in re: my bio. It's pretty well known around these parts.

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                    • Pelado
                      Bald not naked
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 21182

                      #40
                      Originally posted by atheistcougar View Post
                      We have the technology to vastly reduce emissions and the best science of the day points to the conclusion that we are at least a significant contributor to the problem
                      The best science of the day is not infallible, just as it has not been infallible for the last several decades. Have the models even produced accurate predictions/projections of future weather/climate patterns? Until the actual outcomes are matching the projected outcomes, there is an unexplained problem relating to the inputs, the formulas, or both.

                      What do you believe are the significant contributors?

                      What technologies do you advocate that we employ to reduce emissions?

                      How much will that cost?

                      What's the opportunity cost?
                      "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                      - Goatnapper'96

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                      • Commando
                        Explosivo
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 20748

                        #41
                        Last summer was brutal w/ temps routinely in the upper teens, lower 120s, but this summer has been downright pleasant! :rockon2:
                        "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                        • TripletDaddy
                          sweet triple
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 58186

                          #42
                          Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
                          You know I'm going to bug you till you open the kimono. Do you want to do it publicly, or privately? Inquiring minds need to know.
                          Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                          • lambdacoug
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 3981

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                            The best science of the day is not infallible, just as it has not been infallible for the last several decades. Have the models even produced accurate predictions/projections of future weather/climate patterns? Until the actual outcomes are matching the projected outcomes, there is an unexplained problem relating to the inputs, the formulas, or both.

                            What do you believe are the significant contributors?

                            What technologies do you advocate that we employ to reduce emissions?

                            How much will that cost?

                            What's the opportunity cost?
                            Is anyone saying the best science we have is infallible? Is there anything else even close to its predictive power? Should we do nothing until we have perfect models? We should use any and all technologies available to replace fossil fuels. The cost of doing nothing is vastly higher than doing all we can, according to what we know. Its the best we've got, for now.
                            Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                            - Howard Aiken

                            Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                            - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                            • calicoug
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1556

                              #44
                              The arguments in this thread against global warming illustrate exactly why this is such a difficult issue for so many people. People look around at their life and weather they see, then extrapolate from there. If it is cool on any given day, no global warming. If it was hotter last year than this year, no global warming.

                              People struggle for some reason to look at GLOBAL trends and not just at their own tiny slice of the weather world.

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                              • YOhio
                                Hipster Mode
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 26165

                                #45
                                Every time we have a heavy snowfall all the old guys walk around the office making global warming and Al Gore jokes.

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