Stand Your Ground

[il Padrino Ute]

is the right to conceal a firearm in public a constitutional right?

I would say yes, because the 2nd Amendment doesn't specify what are or aren't arms.

[old_gregg]

The 2nd Amendment doesn't specify what arms are or aren't.

so the second amendment protects me if i'm carrying claymores in a backpack or, say, a bomb in my shoe?

[woot]

I would say yes, because the 2nd Amendment doesn't specify what are or aren't arms.

I'll defer to all the attorneys on the board, but I'm pretty sure that's not how constitutional law works.

[il Padrino Ute]

so the second amendment protects me if i'm carrying claymores in a backpack or, say, a bomb in my shoe?

If you want to make that argument, go for it.

[il Padrino Ute]

I'll defer to all the attorneys on the board, but I'm pretty sure that's not how constitutional law works.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Care to clarify?

[old_gregg]

If you want to make that argument, go for it.

what argument? it's an honest question.

[woot]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Care to clarify?

Perhaps you could clarify the chain of logic that got you from the constitution not specifying what arms are to the constitution protecting concealed carry in public.

[il Padrino Ute]

what argument? it's an honest question.

The argument that the 2nd Amendment protects you if you're carrying claymore mines or a bomb. It's not my place to tell you or anyone else how you interpret the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. I wouldn't carry a bomb, mine or chemical weapon, but I won't demand that you not do it if it's protected.

My point, is that a handgun is considered a firearm and carrying a firearm is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

[il Padrino Ute]

Perhaps you could clarify the chain of logic that got you from the constitution not specifying what arms are to the constitution protecting concealed carry in public.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. Handguns are arms and therefore, carrying either concealed or open is a Constitutional right.

Your turn.

[old_gregg]

The argument that the 2nd Amendment protects you if you're carrying claymore mines or a bomb. It's not my place to tell you or anyone else how you interpret the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. I wouldn't carry a bomb, mine or chemical weapon, but I won't demand that you not do it if it's protected.

My point, is that a handgun is considered a firearm and carrying a firearm is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

[Pheidippides]

The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. Handguns are arms and therefore, carrying either concealed or open is a Constitutional right.

Your turn.

You made about seven leaps in logic there. I will let you find them on your own; you won't learn nuthin' if we point them out.

By the way, where in the constitution does it say that the second amendment doesn't apply to felons or the mentally ill?

[woot]

The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. Handguns are arms and therefore, carrying either concealed or open is a Constitutional right.

Your turn.

The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. Bazookas are arms and therefore, carrying either concealed or open is a constitutional right.

Am I doing it right?

[il Padrino Ute]

You made about seven leaps in logic there. I will let you find then on your own; you won't learn nuthin' if we point them out.

By the way, where in the constitution does it say that the second amendment doesn't apply to felons or the mentally ill?

I've not seen anything in the 2nd Amendment that doesn't apply to felons or the mentally ill. But them, I am more a strict Constitutionalist than most people and don't think the document is subject to change. I can understand why there are restrictions, but don't necessarily agree with them.

As for the leaps in logic, I don't see what you're seeing. You can point them out if you'd like, but I'm guessing in the end, we'd have to agree to disagree about whatever it is you think I'm leaping.

[il Padrino Ute]

The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to bear arms. Bazookas are arms and therefore, carrying either concealed or open is a constitutional right.

Am I doing it right?

If that is what you believe, who am I to tell you otherwise?

[woot]

If that is what you believe, who am I to tell you otherwise?

Basically, I think even some of the more rabid gun-toters would happily admit that the right to bear arms as set out in the constitution does not necessarily protect concealed carry, assault rifles, grenades, nukes, etc. Concealed carry is legal because of later debate and consideration of the implications, not because it's demanded by the constitution.

This later debate is also how we got restrictions on who can bear arms, what kinds of arms we want to allow people to own or to carry in public, etc. The constitution is an important piece of this debate, in that it guarantees that at least some people can bear at least some kinds of arms, but it really doesn't seem to have much bearing at all on the particulars. Those result from careful consideration of all the implications on our society.