Obamacare cost...

[Goatnapper'96]

Nice summary; thanks. I guess in hindsight it should be obvious that the government can't do anything without prioritizing their political goals, even if that that something is the fulfillment of their greatest political priority. It makes a funny example that way.

I remember watching the West Wing back in the day and wishing that administration would, for once, try to do something great without worrying about curating their image every step of the way. I'm sure it gets frustrating being a politician and needing to do that, but I guess I wonder how necessary it really is. Wouldn't the results at least sometimes speak for themselves? I guess not, or else it would be done, but I don't understand it.

I think people atttacted to politics cannot divorce themselves from caring how people think about them. Being driven by that is what allows them to be successful in that arena. I think to ask them to not have that at the forefront of everything they do is asking the folks in that profession to go against how they are wired. Partly because that is how humans are wired. When a key polling point is "who feels the pain of the middle class" when it is obvious that two millionaire elites have never been there in their lives, well that ought to tell us all we need to know about ourselves.

[Uncle Ted]

[SCcoug]

Turns out the people paying for Obamacare don't like to pay for Obamacare.

Fullerton resident Jennifer Harris thought she had a great deal, paying $98 a month for an individual plan through Health Net Inc. She got a rude surprise this month when the company said it would cancel her policy at the end of this year. Her current plan does not conform with the new federal rules, which require more generous levels of coverage.

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don't qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

"It doesn't seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else," said Harris, who is three months pregnant. "This increase is simply not affordable."

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Pam Kehaly, president of Anthem Blue Cross in California, said she received a recent letter from a young woman complaining about a 50% rate hike related to the healthcare law.

"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...#axzz2iwhWLCTT

[Uncle Ted]

Turns out the people paying for Obamacare don't like to pay for Obamacare.



http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...#axzz2iwhWLCTT

'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'"

Who wouldn't be for Obamacare given what Obama, and the other dems, had promised?

Obamacare Snake Oil: As broken promises pile up — “Lower rates for all!” — the Left rolls out new sales pitches.
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Back in 2007, when Obama was running for the Democratic nomination, he introduced what was then an embryonic proposal with the quixotic assurance that, “if you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums.” Then he adumbrated what would happen to the “amount of money” that Americans would “spend on premiums.” “That will be less,” Obama told anybody who would listen.
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As a candidate, Obama also made this promise: “I will sign a universal health-care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
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On June 15, 2009, in the midst of the legislative fight, the president told the American Medical Association’s annual meeting: “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”
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As recently as July 2012, Nancy Pelosi informed the viewers of Meet the Press that, under Obamacare, “everybody will have lower rates, better quality care, and better access.” One month later, the president took to the Rose Garden lawn to issue another guarantee: “For people with insurance, the only impact of the health-care law is that their insurance is stronger, better, and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”
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There weren’t supposed to be winners and losers; instead, they were advised by fellow Californian Nancy Pelosi that “everybody will have lower rates, better quality care, and better access,” and by President Obama that “for those who have insurance now, nothing will change under the Obama plan — except that you will pay less.” What were trusting citizens supposed to conclude?
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At the beginning of his big health-care speech in Maryland yesterday, the president told the crowd that, as regards the “reforms that we are making to our health-care system,” “there’s been a lot of things said, a lot of misinformation, a lot of confusion.” He is right, of course. The debate has been mired in dishonesty and casuistry from the very start. And nobody has contributed to this with more enthusiasm and with a louder megaphone than Barack Obama himself.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360617/obamacare-snake-oil-charles-c-w-cooke

Of course, I don't expect the dems to remember any of these promises.

[Uncle Ted]

Obamacare Website Company Had Ties to Obama Fundraising, Michelle Obama


CGI Federal, which secured a $678 million no-bid contract to build the Obamacare exchange web portal, has come under increased scrutiny for ties between senior executives and the Obama administration following the disastrous rollout of the healthcare website.


Toni Townes-Whitley, a senior vice president at CGI Federal, is a Princeton classmate of First Lady Michelle Obama, the Daily Caller reported. In addition to being college classmates, both Obama and Townes-Whitley are members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cgi...#ixzz2j0wY15t9

There is nothing to see here. Move along.

[Uncle Ted]

"There is only one thing left to do..."

[Goatnapper'96]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_4166664.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/op...dge.html?_r=1&

[Moliere]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_4166664.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/op...dge.html?_r=1&

It seems the talking points are moving away from the Dems applauding Obamacare to the Dems trying to tag the whole idea behind Obamacare on the GOP (which is somewhat correct given the mandates origins). Interesting move by the left, but I doubt it sticks.

[byu71]

It seems the talking points are moving away from the Dems applauding Obamacare to the Dems trying to tag the whole idea behind Obamacare on the GOP (which is somewhat correct given the mandates origins). Interesting move by the left, but I doubt it sticks.

I saw Bill Clinton out on the campaign trail with McCauliffe (sp). He brought up the Medicare D was in trouble, but since the dems are not ideologues, they were willing to work with Bush to see the kinks were worked out and not acting as obstructionists like the republican.

Since dems voted for the Medicare D bill, why wouldn't they be willing to help work out the kinks? Bush didn't ram Medicare D down the dems throats.

[SandYFan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_4166664.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/op...dge.html?_r=1&

Krugman is the best. Everything is the Republicans' fault and there is no such thing as bad spending.

Rinse and repeat.

[imanihonjin]

It seems the talking points are moving away from the Dems applauding Obamacare to the Dems trying to tag the whole idea behind Obamacare on the GOP (which is somewhat correct given the mandates origins). Interesting move by the left, but I doubt it sticks.

I love how the mess that is the ACA is the Republicans' fault even though not one of them voted for the stupid bill. The dems did not compromise on this bill to satisfy a single a Republican, they own the entire thing.

I could only imagine how much worse it would be if we handed the whole medical care industry to these fools.

[Jacob]

It seems the talking points are moving away from the Dems applauding Obamacare to the Dems trying to tag the whole idea behind Obamacare on the GOP (which is somewhat correct given the mandates origins). Interesting move by the left, but I doubt it sticks.

That's funny. Mandate is the GOP's fault. Sure, since zero Republicans voted for the bill. Please.

Unrelatedly, the mandate is absolutely essential to this whole scam working. The Democrats aren't dumb enough to pass this sham of a bill without the mandate, even if they were dumb enough to think the whole thing might work.

[VirginiaCougar]

That's funny. Mandate is the GOP's fault. Sure, since zero Republicans voted for the bill. Please.

Unrelatedly, the mandate is absolutely essential to this whole scam working. The Democrats aren't dumb enough to pass this sham of a bill without the mandate, even if they were dumb enough to think the whole thing might work.

Do you actually care about historical fact? Or is it all malleable to the narrow necessities of a flawed ideology?

[Jacob]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_4166664.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/op...dge.html?_r=1&

Wow. Is Krugman the dumbest smart person ever born? What a moron.

[Jacob]

Do you actually care about historical fact? Or is it all malleable to the narrow necessities of a flawed ideology?

Yes, do you? If you do, you will agree with everything in the post of mine you responded to.