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[Uncle Ted]

Yet another company blames Obamacare for its major benefits policy change...

One of the basic pledges President Obama has made regarding his health-care reforms is that “if you like the plan you have, you can keep it.” It’s also a pledge that could come back to bite, politically.


The latest sign of that is the news, made public this week, that shipping company UPS will no longer make health insurance benefits available to some 15,000 employee spouses. In announcing the change, the company referred to Obamacare as a reason it is having to battle to contain health-care costs.


This news comes alongside other signs that employers – the largest source of health insurance for Americans – aren’t finding it easy to continue with health coverage as usual.

[...]

http://news.yahoo.com/ups-drops-health-benefits-15-000-spouses-obamacare-122911969.html

Clearly UPS is a company that is managed by a bunch of republican blood sucking capitalists. Otherwise they would be more like the USPS and would be providing huge benefit packages/pensions to its valued employees no matter the cost.

[calicoug]

Yet another company blames Obamacare for its major benefits policy change...

http://news.yahoo.com/ups-drops-health-benefits-15-000-spouses-obamacare-122911969.html

Clearly UPS is a company that is managed by a bunch of republican blood sucking capitalists. Otherwise they would be more like the USPS and would be providing huge benefit packages/pensions to its valued employees no matter the cost.

Unions won't like the law. It will definitely result in lower benefit plans for most union employees.

[Uncle Ted]

Unions won't like the law. It will definitely result in lower benefit plans for most union employees.

But if the Unions won't like the law then what will they think of the creator(s) of the law?!?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/unions-obamacare-taft-hartley_n_3790548.html

[Indy Coug]

Obama - worst president ever?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/is-obama-the-worst-president-ever/article/2534688

I don't know about EVER, but he's working hard on being included in the conversation.

[Uncle Ted]

Obama - worst president ever?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/is-obama-the-worst-president-ever/article/2534688

I don't know about EVER, but he's working hard on being included in the conversation.

Well... At least those Utah MLMs didn't dump a bunch of money into his PACs. Goldman Sachs? Maybe, but not those Utah MLMs.


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[byu71]

On some show they said the 70% of health cares expenses are spent on a person in their last two years of life. If this is true, then I am not opposed to the death panel.

[Pelado]

On some show they said the 70% of health cares expenses are spent on a person in their last two years of life. If this is true, then I am not opposed to the death panel.

Next up for the panel...byu71.

[Pelado]

All third-party systems are crappy and inefficient. But socialized health care has at least the great clarifying simplicity of equality of crappiness: liberté, égalité, merde. It requires a perverse genius to construct a “health” “care” “reform” that destroys everything from religious liberty to full-time employment, while requiring multitudes of new tax collectors and other bureaucrats and ever fewer doctors and nurses. The parallel public/private systems of Continental Europe cost about 10 percent of GDP. The Obamacare monstrosity blends all the worst aspects of a private system (bureaucracy, restricted access, co-pays) with all the worst aspects of a government system (bureaucracy, restricted access, IRS agents) and sucks up twice as much GDP, ever less of which is spent on “health care” and ever more on the intervening layers of third, fourth, fifth, and sixth parties.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356634/obamacares-hierarchy-privilege-mark-steyn/page/0/1

[CardiacCoug]

On some show they said the 70% of health cares expenses are spent on a person in their last two years of life. If this is true, then I am not opposed to the death panel.

Sure, but that's a RETROSPECTIVE analysis: "Look he/she died anyway! All that medical care was a waste!"

But some of those really, really sick people getting very expensive care with a significant likelihood of dying end up recovering completely and even rejoining the work force and supporting families, etc. In any given case where all that money was spent it wasn't necessarily possible IN ADVANCE to say "That medical care is wasted. Let him die."

One huge cause of all that wasteful spending, in my opinion, is that doctors are paid to provide expensive care regardless of the likelihood of recovery. I took care of an 85-year old who was offered aggressive (and expensive!) chemotherapy recently and I'm positive it hastened her death but enhanced her oncologist's income. Those perverse incentives need to be minimized.

[CardiacCoug]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...steyn/page/0/1

Great article. Obamacare is a disaster -- that's what I've been saying. The US needs to make up its mind on health care: either single government payer or HSAs with high deductible health plans. Something in between those two extremes isn't going to work.

[All-American]

Obama - worst president ever?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/is-obama-the-worst-president-ever/article/2534688

I don't know about EVER, but he's working hard on being included in the conversation.

Well, him, and Lincoln, FDR, and JFK.

[imanihonjin]

"We were just talking with some folks earlier about the fact that, for a lot of people, it will be cheaper than your cell phone bill," Obama explained.

And there is the problem. If we are paying for someone's health care because they can't afford it well then they had better not have a cell phone.

[woot]

And there is the problem. If we are paying for someone's health care because they can't afford it well then they had better not have a cell phone.

Even the subsistence-level folks I met in Africa have cell phones. "If my money is contributing to keeping poor people alive, those poor people better not have the tools necessary to find and keep a job!" Nice work, dude.

[snowcat]

Even the subsistence-level folks I met in Africa have cell phones. "If my money is contributing to keeping poor people alive, those poor people better not have the tools necessary to find and keep a job!" Nice work, dude.

Owning a cell phone is not a requirement for any of my employees.

[Goatnapper'96]

Even the subsistence-level folks I met in Africa have cell phones. "If my money is contributing to keeping poor people alive, those poor people better not have the tools necessary to find and keep a job!" Nice work, dude.

I agree many subsistence level folks make many other similarly wise economic decisions. In defense of the poor folk in Africa, I don't think that there is as reliable as a PSTN as we have in this country, and our most generous telecom subsidy programs support land-lines.