The Police Brutality Thread

[Northwestcoug]

meh, you do what he tells you, it will likely be a very boring video.

90+ percent of the time, yes. But then when you get a cop like that who flips out because he doesn't like whatever attitude you may or may not have. I'd like to have that behavior publicized as much as possible. And for evidence if anything bad happens as a result.

Actually, I haven't told my kids to film cop encounters and I probably wouldn't advise it, mainly because I want to increase the chances of only getting a warning. But I completely support increased public scrutiny of police encounters. I understand police tempers will occasionally flare given the stress of the job. But there has to be continual and better training to make sure people don't get injured or die because a cop can't realize he's gone too far.

[Eddie]

90+ percent of the time, yes. But then when you get a cop like that who flips out because he doesn't like whatever attitude you may or may not have...

I worry about the kid who is upset because he's thinking about what his parent is going to do to him when they find out - but the cop misinterprets the basis for the kid being upset, or whatever other emotion the kid is feeling, and ends up escalating something for no reason.

[Bo Diddley]

His "order" was for her to "please" extinguish a cigarette she was smoking in her car which she refused to do so, correctly stating she was in her own vehicle. At that point, he ordered her to step out of her car and she refused and it escalated from there. Highly doubtful he was issuing a lawful order. This guy was an idiot and it won't end well for him.

Agreed. It will be interesting to hear him articulate his justification for needing to pull her from her car. Prediction: this cop will lose his job for excessive and unwarranted use of force.

[TexTechCoug]

I made half-hearted attempt to see what the law is in regards to requests to extinguish cigarettes and exit the vehicle during traffic stops. From what I could find the order to exit the vehicle is lawful with any stop. I think the cop got all riled up because he had intended to just give a warning and she wasn't nice enough. When she was irritated he got on a power trip and goaded her and then things went from bad to worse.

This video could be used as an instructional video of how not behave when pulled over. She went from slightly irritated to unhinged. Refusing to obey a LEO is risky business, physically resisting and combating one is just dumb. It is a fight, wrong or right, that you will always lose. When he reached into the car it looks like she actually kicked him. The trooper should never have let it get to that point, especially over a warning, but the driver just kept doing the wrong thing. Even after exiting the vehicle she just kept making things worse by not listening, deliberately disobeying commands, and yelling and swearing. I'm not blaming her for the outcome, but in a similar situation that kind of behavior is almost always going to get you in trouble.

I once told a female cop who had pulled my wife over that she was unprofessional and I wanted to contact her supervisor, she told me she was going to arrest me for disorderly conduct. The same officer threatened to detain us for 2 hours until her supervisor could drive to where we had been pulled over to discuss the issue. After my wife was ticketed and we were sent on our way I called my dad and he gave me "the talk" about keeping my mouth shut and being on my best behavior. The entire incident was filmed and the officer was micced and I followed up with her supervisor, turned out that the video was "lost." The take home was there is no benefit to being confrontational with the police.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

This has turned into a real epidemic. We're getting one video like this a month and in a country of over 300 million people, the odds aren't looking good that we'll continue through our lives unscathed.

This is akin to the Bermuda Triangle hysteria and that year in the 80s when everyone was scared to go to the dentist because they thought he might have AIDS.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This has turned into a real epidemic. We're getting one video like this a month and in a country of over 300 million people, the odds aren't looking good that we'll continue through our lives unscathed.

This is akin to the Bermuda Triangle hysteria and that year in the 80s when everyone was scared to go to the dentist because they thought he might have AIDS.

I agree that ubiquitous video has profoundly altered society in many ways, including this one. Certain videos go viral and inflame emotions and gullible people get the impression that some issue has a far greater significance and impact than it really has. At the same time, sunlight is the most effective disinfectant. It might take a while to find a healthy equilibrium.

[Bo Diddley]

I agree that ubiquitous video has profoundly altered society in many ways, including this one. Certain videos go viral and inflame emotions and gullible people get the impression that some issue has a far greater significance and impact than it really has. At the same time, sunlight is the most effective disinfectant. It might take a while to find a healthy equilibrium.

This is probably the safest time in history to be a civilian on the receiving end of police actions, due in large part to the many cameras recording, as well as awareness of these issues. Of course the significance and impact for those people on the receiving end of police brutality is not reduced.

[BigFatMeanie]

The University of Cincinatti cop's body cam is going to get him life in prison. His body cam video has been released:

WARNING: Do NOT watch if you don't want to see a cop shoot a man point blank in the head.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/...ubose-shooting

Prosecutors are charging the cop with murder. I agree with the prosecutor that it's unbelievable how fast the cop pulls his gun and shoots the man in the head.

[Commando]

I love how they approached the car that was revving in place against the stone wall with guns drawn. "HE'S DRIVING AWAY!!" That was the dead guy's foot on the gas pedal. He couldn't stop the car because he had just been shot in the face and was dead, which I assume leaves the human body without the ability to gently apply the brakes and put the vehicle in park. I guess they think he may have been a walker at that point or something?

[old_gregg]

The University of Cincinatti cop's body cam is going to get him life in prison. His body cam video has been released:

WARNING: Do NOT watch if you don't want to see a cop shoot a man point blank in the head.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/...ubose-shooting

Prosecutors are charging the cop with murder. I agree with the prosecutor that it's unbelievable how fast the cop pulls his gun and shoots the man in the head.

was the guy trying to run him over?

[Commando]

was the guy trying to run him over?

Clearly not.

[imanihonjin]

How in the world does a cop think that shooting someone point blank in the head for not having their license is a good thing. There is no justification for this.

[Commando]

was the guy trying to run him over?

The police report says the cop was being dragged and, fearing he would be run over, fired a shot.

Reality: the guy unwisely put his car in gear and got a bullet to the face INSTANTLY. The car, still in gear, aimlessly veers forward and to the left, stalling against the stone wall to the left of the sidewalk. The officers rush to the car, guns drawn, apparently hoping to kill him in cold blood a second time.

I imagine this case would have gone very differently without the advent of digital cameras.

[Northwestcoug]

According to the police incident report, Tensing said DuBose was dragging him with his car and Tensing feared he would be run over when he fired a single shot that killed DuBose.

Another UC officer responding to the scene, Phillip Kidd, backed up Tensing's account, saying he witnessed DuBose's 1998 Honda Accord dragging Tensing and Tensing firing one shot, according to the report.

Look how easy it would have been for this cop had there been no video or witnesses. His partner backed him up with what sounds like a very credible story.

Hard not to support mandatory cams for police officers. And not only for citizen protection, but protection for the cops themselves.

EDIT: Commando beat me to it.

[old_gregg]

Clearly not.

not defending the quickness of the shooting, but couldn't the cop have been reasonably fearful for his life here? doesn't look that clear to me.