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[pellegrino]

One could argue that these things happen because of excessive rationality, and not because of irrationality.

Regardless, men and women of all types and stripes are bonkers. That's just the way we are.

Human, so human.

[Jeff Lebowski]

No, that's not what I said. In fact, I referred to behavior such as Arnold's as "excessive rationality."

Yes, then you called it "rational" and "hardwired rationality" in the follow-up post. Perhaps you can imagine why I thought you meant "rational".

But Babs and I apparently don't get it. Maybe you can help us out.

[RC Vikings]

So following our most primitive biological urges is the very definition of rationality?

I thought rational meant subject to reason or logic, as opposed to a primal biological imperative which is unaffected by logic or reason. Indeed, men's brains didn't evolve to promote spreading seed because it was rational; the urge to spread seed prevailed because doing so was successful. But this success was not at a logical or reasoned level, it was at an evolutionary level. Rabbits do it too; are they being excessively rational?

One might conclude SIEQ was simply being glib in his original post except he is then critical of someone who he perceives might be taking that approach. So rather than being glib and dismissive, he was apparently just wrong and dismissive. Or maybe he was excessively rational and his sense of humor was overwhelmed.

So basically "excessive irrationality" is the same thing as irrationality?

You guys sure have a knack for turning something as simple as Arnold knocking up the help into some mental exercise. I think I'll head down to the gym and see what's being talked about there.

[creekster]

You guys sure have a knack for turning something as simple as Arnold knocking up the help into some mental exercise. I think I'll head down to the gym and see what's being talked about there.

Whatdver you do there, dont be excessively rational with the maid.

[BigFatMeanie]

My friend Dennis' theory on women and their mates:

No matter how attractive a woman is, the dude that is banging her wishes he was banging someone else.

The corollary:

No matter how unattractive a woman is, there exists a dude out there that would be willing to bang her, given enough alcohol.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I thought rational meant subject to reason or logic, as opposed to a primal biological imperative which is unaffected by logic or reason. Indeed, men's brains didn't evolve to promote spreading seed because it was rational; the urge to spread seed prevailed because doing so was successful. But this success was not at a logical or reasoned level, it was at an evolutionary level. Rabbits do it too; are they being excessively rational?

One might conclude SIEQ was simply being glib in his original post except he is then critical of someone who he perceives might be taking that approach. So rather than being glib and dismissive, he was apparently just wrong and dismissive. Or maybe he was excessively rational and his sense of humor was overwhelmed.

Irrationality is cognition, speaking, acting, and so on without the inclusion of rationality.

Excessive rationality, per Max Weber, is rationality detrimentally manifested and can emerge in the forms of the zweckrational, wertrational, affectual, and traditional.

Infidelity of Arnold's sort, while in my view stupid, is not conducted without the inclusion of rationality. It is conducted with a rationality that is detrimental. It is conducted with an excessive rationality.

It seems we don't agree on a definition of rational.

[creekster]

Irrationality is cognition, speaking, acting, and so on without the inclusion of rationality.

Excessive rationality, per Max Weber, is rationality detrimentally manifested and can emerge in the forms of the zweckrational, wertrational, affectual, and traditional.

Infidelity of Arnold's sort, while in my view stupid, is not conducted without the inclusion of rationality. It is conducted with a rationality that is detrimental. It is conducted with an excessive rationality.

IOW, once you define what you say to mean what you want regardless of how it is usually defined, you are right! cool trick. I try to use it sometimes too, but usually I don't get away with it.

Of course, this seems to suggest that your original post was pretty glib.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Irrationality is cognition, speaking, acting, and so on without the inclusion of rationality.

Excessive rationality, per Max Weber, is rationality detrimentally manifested and can emerge in the forms of the zweckrational, wertrational, affectual, and traditional.

Infidelity of Arnold's sort, while in my view stupid, is not conducted without the inclusion of rationality. It is conducted with a rationality that is detrimental. It is conducted with an excessive rationality.

Isn't that just a ten-dollar way to say "irrational"?

[Jeff Lebowski]

This discussion reminds me of some geek humor:

[Sleeping in EQ]

IOW, once you define what you say to mean what you want regardless of how it is usually defined, you are right! cool trick. I try to use it sometimes too, but usually I don't get away with it.

Of course, this seems to suggest that your original post was pretty glib.

I was teasing babs.

My definition is common enough; Weber is legit in any number of fields--sociology, social-psychology, and communications being three that I know of.

That my definition doesn't match your definition doesn't have to contribute to meanness, does it? Isn't this where the Jesuits would insist we should go about exploring the values and limits of our definitions and only then come back to the current issue?

[RC Vikings]

Focus guys. Don't you wonder what she looks like?

[Sleeping in EQ]

Isn't that just a ten-dollar way to say "irrational"?

No, although I can understand why you might think so. Irrationality is the absence of the rational; excessive rationality is rationality exercised to one's own detriment.

[TripletDaddy]

It is too bad Weber is dead. It would have been cool to get him post here so he could articulate his own ideas more clearly than what we are getting here today. I want to know more about zweckrationale and wertrationale.

[Sleeping in EQ]

It is too bad Weber is dead. It would have been cool to get him post here so he could articulate his own ideas more clearly than what we are getting here today. I want to know more about zweckrationale and wertrationale.

Weber was, in his own way, an example of excessive rationality. You can always start reading him if you're genuinely interested.

[Babs]

No, although I can understand why you might think so. Irrationality is the absence of the rational; excessive rationality is rationality exercised to one's own detriment.

wow. This just keeps getting better. Please do elaborate on your theory irrational rationalism.