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  • wuapinmon
    Soul Plumber
    • Dec 2008
    • 30711
    #76
    Michael Jackson was a fool, but I do not believe that he ever hurt a child; he was a child.
    "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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      • Jeff Lebowski
        Corporate lackey for Jesus
        • Nov 2008
        • 69593
        #77
        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
        Michael Jackson was a fool, but I do not believe that he ever hurt a child; he was a child.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • Uncle Ted
            The Big 12 money shot.
            • Apr 2010
            • 28853
            #78
            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
            Michael Jackson was a fool, but I do not believe that he ever hurt a child; he was a child.
            I blame Pepsi for screwing up Michael Jackson...

            [YOUTUBE]dgb-zCnz9mE[/YOUTUBE]

            Ever since that he was batshit crazy.
            "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
            "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
            "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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              • wuapinmon
                Soul Plumber
                • Dec 2008
                • 30711
                #79
                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                I don't see why you're confused. I said that I don't believe that Michael Jackson was guilty of the crimes against children that you insinuated. He was a grown man who acted like a child. I remain unconvinced that any of the accusations of criminal behavior were substantive. I'm not a huge fan, I just think that he was unfairly maligned.
                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • Uncle Ted
                    The Big 12 money shot.
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 28853
                    #80
                    I'm guessing that Arnold had a slump when he wasn't working out in the gym as much...

                    [YOUTUBE]2HwYI0oHzPw[/YOUTUBE]
                    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                      • Jeff Lebowski
                        Corporate lackey for Jesus
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 69593
                        #81
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        I don't see why you're confused. I said that I don't believe that Michael Jackson was guilty of the crimes against children that you insinuated. He was a grown man who acted like a child. I remain unconvinced that any of the accusations of criminal behavior were substantive. I'm not a huge fan, I just think that he was unfairly maligned.
                        Well neither you nor I have sufficient evidence to come to a definitive conclusion on his guilt but my point is that we are far more likely to give our celebrities the benefit of the doubt and make excuses for their behavior. If your average Joe down the street was found to have invited children to his house for sleepovers countless times over several years and it was discovered that he insisted that they sleep in the same bed with him, would you be so willing to excuse his behavior as you are in this case? (not singling you out necessarily - your viewpoint is quite common)

                        Furthermore, take away the fame and celebrity status and what are the odds that a group of parents would allow their children to do sleepovers with an adult under such circumstances? Not a chance.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • venkman
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 2199
                            #82
                            Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                            I'm guessing that Arnold had a slump when he wasn't working out in the gym as much...

                            [YOUTUBE]2HwYI0oHzPw[/YOUTUBE]
                            haha, I love that clip.
                            "Remember to double tap"

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                              • xena
                                Warrior Princess
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 113
                                #83
                                Originally posted by marsupial View Post
                                Because of opportunity? Does that make them more vulnerable?

                                Danimal has told me that if I wanted to cheat on him, I could easily find a guy to do it with on any day of the week. He said it would be much more difficult for him. I haven't tested his theory (and he better not have either), but I guess it wouldn't be too hard to find a guy interested in non-committal sex with some ordinary woman he just met or doesn't know very well. Women like this are harder to find and in your search you might wind up with some sexual harassment charges.

                                However, many women are weak when it comes to a man with money, fame and power. Attention from someone like Arnold or Tiger will likely be flattering while the same attention from some ordinary guy is just going be creepy.
                                Ding, ding, ding! I think marsupial is onto something here. Sustained opportunity and flirting with an idea could very likely lead to such a liaison.

                                I also believe Danimal is correct in saying that marsupial could certainly cheat on him if she so desired. However, in general, we women are highly discerning. We don't take just anyone.

                                Fame and money are powerful, yet I believe women, generally, would never throw away a good relationship for a rogue opportunity (Hugh Jackman excluded, because he's on "my list"). However, cleaning a huge house/mansion, working as the designated underling, yet still being able to bag the head of the household? That was likely a shift in power for this woman.

                                On the flip side. WTH was Arnold thinking? Well, look at his past behaviors, including his youtube clip with a British interviewer where he was enjoying the attention and stroking her leg. My husband stroking a woman's leg in any context? Uh, Hell To Pay.

                                To sum up: there was opportunity. You may question Arnold's judgment in actually selecting THIS woman, but we do not know what kind of attention/thrill she provided. All in all, there are several children left in the aftermath of all of this.

                                Perhaps Maria is more shocked by the person who was in her home, cleaning her home, than the fact he had an affair. Add a product of the affair (the child) into the mix? Crazy devastating.

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