The 2012 Republican Primary thread, early edition

[Uncle Ted]

It isn't necesarily wrong to take someone's religious views into account in voting for them for president. I woudn't vote for an Orthodox Jew because of religious belief.

I could care less about the candidate's religion unless they made it an issue and it was obviously going to dictate how they were going to execute their job as president. For example, if Monson started acting like Jeremiah Wright and Romney didn't immediately denounce him then Romney would never get my vote.

[Uncle Ted]

Wouldn't it be more proper to say that more democrats are against bigots?

Are you saying that Romney and Huntsman are bigots? Of course Huntsman has been playing the "racist card" with some other candidates lately and this is usually the strategy of a candidate that is desperate and most likely racist themselves.

[calicoug]

You need to read up on this issue.

Which issue in particular?

[Uncle Ted]

So I wrote this a long time ago, when I knew Paul mostly by the somewhat compelling message that he represents more than the man himself. Having seen him now a bit more in public, it is hard to imagine him as the president. Far worse than the anti-Mormon faction of the GOP is the anti-leprechaun faction, and lets face it, Ron Paul is a leprechaun, the Conservative bizzaro version of Dennis Kucinich. Still, he represents a significant chunk of Conservative America, and that chunk is not satisfied with mainstream Conservative choices. It is hard to imagine Romney being able to satisfy the Ron Paul branch of the Conservative movement, and that would have zilch to do with his religion. Most of these folks will hold their nose and pull the lever for the party nominee, but a significant number will choose to opt out, just as a significant number of Obama's youth vote will not bother to vote, because Obama is really no longer all that compelling. But if when it comes down to it, a majority of Americans are going to vote for a serious candidate, and Obama has demonstrated that he is a serious man. Romney and Huntsman both seem to be fairly serious men too, but if one of the other clowns is nominated, the election will have to go to Obama. It really isn't even a choice. Huntsman doesn't quite have the numbers, so it has got to be Romeny if the party hopes to have any chance at all.

Romney will never get the diehard Ron Paul vote until he stops dodging the real questions and starts to answer them...

And when he encounters a question he particularly dislikes, he smiles politely and behaves as if it never happened. (“Will you put Ron Paul in your cabinet?” a man asked. The candidate turned away, inquiry left unanswered.)

[...]

A few moments later, a voter named David Rivers asked Mr. Romney whether there would be place for Mr. Paul, a Texas congressman, in a Romney White House. Mr. Romney treated the question as a joke, letting out a laugh and walking on by.

“I was actually kind of serious,” Mr. Rivers said in an interview afterward.

And Obama will most likely win the re-election. Romney will need all the votes he can get to overcome the fact he is a mormon, IMO.

[Green Monstah]

It isn't necesarily wrong to take someone's religious views into account in voting for them for president. I woudn't vote for an Orthodox Jew because of religious belief.

This is quite possibly the most anti-Semitic post I've ever seen on CUF.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=659254&postcount=364

SU is a Nazi. Don't go and invoke Godwin's law on me. He's a total brown shirt, the very type of hate mongering scumbag thug the Nazis were, the type of person for which Godwin's law was laid down so as to ensure we are precise and instructive with the comparison when we make it.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpost.php?p=401059&postcount=84

[Moliere]

Be careful. Banana boy doesn't consider Texas as part of the south. Hell, a lot of Texans still believe Texas is its own republic.

Houston is in the South. Dallas is not. Texas is its own republic and is better than any other state in the union. At least that is how I (and several million other Houstonians) see it.

And Obama will most likely win the re-election. Romney will need all the votes he can get to overcome the fact he is a mormon, IMO.

Yep, Romney may get the GOP nomination but I doubt he beats Obama. The economy may suck really bad right now, but Obama's base will come out and vote in 2012. Hopefully the GOP will still have the HOR so we can spend teh next four years in economic and tax uncertainty

[byu71]

I would have a hard time voting for and "orthodox" person. A strict idealogue thinks everything they believe is "principle" and they don't consider someone else may have "prinicples" that are different.

Someone who follows their principles I don't consider "orthodox". If they feel it is their mandate to get everyone else to follow their principles, I then consider them orthodox.

[il Padrino Ute]

Yep, Romney may get the GOP nomination but I doubt he beats Obama. The economy may suck really bad right now, but Obama's base will come out and vote in 2012. Hopefully the GOP will still have the HOR so we can spend teh next four years in economic and tax uncertainty

Obama doesn't care if the GOP controls the HOR. He'll just force his agenda on the American people via executive action, especially in this year before the '12 elections. Nothing can be done about that now as he's still POTUS, but it is vitally important to vote him out so he can no longer do the damage he is bent on doing to this county.

[LA Ute]

Which issue in particular?

How the left will use the Mormon issue against Romney.

[woot]

Are you saying that Romney and Huntsman are bigots? Of course Huntsman has been playing the "racist card" with some other candidates lately and this is usually the strategy of a candidate that is desperate and most likely racist themselves.

Well, the question ostensibly referred to generic Mormons, not those two specifically, and Mormons were infamously behind prop 8, so there's an argument to be made, and a good one I think, that calling those who would refuse to vote for a Mormon "bigots" gets it exactly backwards. Admittedly, that would require that those same people wouldn't be willing to vote for bigots of other stripes, which is probably a non-starter. Mostly I was just trying to be funny by examining the Mormon battle-cry of bigotry, which I find quite hilarious.

[Jacob]

On why we should care much about the Iowa primary:

Number of delegates at stake in Iowa: 28

Number of delegates that winning 50 percent of the vote gets you: 14

Number of delegates that frontrunner will get if he finishes with 25 percent of the vote: 7.

Number of delegates that the second-place finisher will get if he finishes with 21.5 percent of the vote: 6.
Number of delegates at stake on Super Tuesday, March 6: 438.

Number of delegates needed to win the Republican presidential nomination: 1,144.

[Green Monstah]

On why we should care much about the Iowa primary:

Losing Iowa killed his canidacy last go-round. I don't think Iowa has the ability to do the same this year since Mitt should win NH, but if he gets steamrolled and finished third, I'd say he's in a shit-ton of trouble.

[Jacob]

Losing Iowa killed his canidacy last go-round. I don't think Iowa has the ability to do the same this year since Mitt should win NH, but if he gets steamrolled and finished third, I'd say he's in a shit-ton of trouble.

Which is why we shouldn't care much about Iowa.
Damned 24 hour news!

[Green Monstah]

Which is why we shouldn't care much about Iowa.
Damned 24 hour news!

It could still kill his candidacy if Santorum comes from nowhere and wins it all and Ron Paul finishes second. On the other hand, NH seems to be a shoo-in for him, so Iowa's importance is greatly diminished.

(sorry: I thought this was the Romney thread)

[Moliere]

It could still kill his candidacy if Santorum comes from nowhere and wins it all and Ron Paul finishes second. On the other hand, NH seems to be a shoo-in for him, so Iowa's importance is greatly diminished.

(sorry: I thought this was the Romney thread)

Santorum scares the bejesus out of me. He's Michelle Bachmann in male form.