I love Utah politics

[chrisrenrut]

Except now Ontario is pushing to sell it in grocery stores, as that article states (it's from 2015). Quebec allows beer and wine to be sold in grocery stores. I think the rest of the provinces have a mix of alcohol being sold in both privately and provincially owned liquor stores.

I can’t believe Canadian Tire doesn’t sell alcohol. They sell everything else.

[Northwestcoug]

I can’t believe Canadian Tire doesn’t sell alcohol. They sell everything else.w

That would be sweet. Then you could use these to buy them:

Canadian Tire Money.jpg

[Copelius]

HB 441 any thoughts? My biggest concern for this, besides the regulatory costs for so many service providers who are solo operations on low margins, is the potential windfall for local sales taxing authorities.

Local taxes range from 1.2% to 4%. By increasing the base tax base for the state, which doesn't drop down to 3.1 until after 10 months to study it at 3.9 to make sure revenues stay up, you increase the base for the locals which are not decreasing their rates. In my cursory reading last night, I didn't see any restriction on local sales tax of the new base. So unlike the politicians are telling us, all the services and pyramiding possibilities are not just a 3.1% raise in cost to the consumer, but a 5.1% to 7.9% increase in cost of those services to consumers, with the possibility that it drops to a 4.3% to 7.1% hit 10 months later if some bureaucrat thinks the revenue is sustainable. FAT CHANCE!

I have not read it in depth enough so I may have missed any restriction on the local tax collection of the expanded base, but that is my biggest problem with it right now. It is being sold as a 3.1% price jump for consumer services, when in reality it appears to be much much more.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I see the state legislators carved out an exemption for real estate. Jerks.

[Copelius]

I see the state legislators carved out an exemption for real estate. Jerks.

Are you surprised?

[MartyFunkhouser]

HB 441 any thoughts? My biggest concern for this, besides the regulatory costs for so many service providers who are solo operations on low margins, is the potential windfall for local sales taxing authorities.

Local taxes range from 1.2% to 4%. By increasing the base tax base for the state, which doesn't drop down to 3.1 until after 10 months to study it at 3.9 to make sure revenues stay up, you increase the base for the locals which are not decreasing their rates. In my cursory reading last night, I didn't see any restriction on local sales tax of the new base. So unlike the politicians are telling us, all the services and pyramiding possibilities are not just a 3.1% raise in cost to the consumer, but a 5.1% to 7.9% increase in cost of those services to consumers, with the possibility that it drops to a 4.3% to 7.1% hit 10 months later if some bureaucrat thinks the revenue is sustainable. FAT CHANCE!

I have not read it in depth enough so I may have missed any restriction on the local tax collection of the expanded base, but that is my biggest problem with it right now. It is being sold as a 3.1% price jump for consumer services, when in reality it appears to be much much more.

It is a clusterfuck. I'd rather they just raise income taxes.

[Copelius]

It is a clusterfuck. I'd rather they just raise income taxes.

I agree, if they really need the money and cannot find ways to cut fat. The problem with raising income taxes is those are locked into education by the State Constitution and they are looking for more flexibility for the general fund. The simple solution is to amend the constitution to cut the income tax tie to education and just force the legislators to prioritize like every other family and business that pays the taxes.

[frank ryan]

Spencer Cox is going to run for governor. I’ll be voting for him. He’s another Republican I can get behind. I voted for Herbert last time around primarily because of Cox.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2019/05/14/lt-gov-spencer-cox/

[Donuthole]

Spencer Cox is going to run for governor. I’ll be voting for him. He’s another Republican I can get behind. I voted for Herbert last time around primarily because of Cox.


https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...v-spencer-cox/

frank making a habit of voting for Republicans because he likes their Cox.

[Northwestcoug]

frank making a habit of voting for Republicans because he likes their Cox.

[USUC]

Spencer Cox is going to run for governor. I’ll be voting for him. He’s another Republican I can get behind. I voted for Herbert last time around primarily because of Cox.


https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...v-spencer-cox/

It's like Cox was made in the lab to be a perfect candidate in Utah. I hear rumors of Chaffetz or Huntsman jumping in as well. But I think they would be flicked aside fairly quickly by Cox.

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[frank ryan]

It's like Cox was made in the lab to be a perfect candidate in Utah. I hear rumors of Chaffetz or Huntsman jumping in as well. But I think they would be flicked aside fairly quickly by Cox.

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Chaffetz would be awful. He's a terrible politician and worse human being.

[YOhio]

I think Cox has potential for national level politics.

[Uncle Ted]

Chaffetz would be awful. He's a terrible politician and worse human being.

I agree... I lost all respect I had for him when he pulled his support for the candidate of his own party:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz also said he is pulling his support.

"I'm out," Chaffetz told 2News in a live 2News interview Friday. "I'm just so disappointed."

Chaffetz said based on text messages he's received Friday evening, he believes other national Republicans will follow suit and dump Trump. He also said he did not know who he will vote for in November -- only that it won't be Trump or Clinton.

"I can't endorse somebody who acts and thinks like this," Chaffetz said.

https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-lt-gov-says-leaked-video-makes-it-that-much-easier-not-to-support-trump

You don't stab your own party members in the back... Who did he think he was? John McCain?

Good thing he resigned. All those Utah GOP'ers that voted for Drumpf would have canned him for sure.

[old_gregg]

I think Cox has potential for national level politics.

yohio loves cox, you heard it here first folks