I love Utah politics

[MartyFunkhouser]

Haha. Yes. So many new experts, all completely confident.

Any experts get called to fix the cable?

[Jeff Lebowski]

I just watched an Insta video with a Box Elder farmhand talking about the Urban Heat Effect like he invented the term. He spoke in absolutes and guaranteed a significant rise in temperature for northern Utah.

It's getting weird out there.

Haha. Yes. So many new experts, all completely confident.

[Shaka]

I just watched an Insta video with a Box Elder farmhand talking about the Urban Heat Effect like he invented the term. He spoke in absolutes and guaranteed a significant rise in temperature for northern Utah.

It's getting weird out there.

[frank ryan]

O'Leary isn't the best guy to sell this project. I also understand distrust with some of these companies like Palantir.

[chrisrenrut]

Don’t have strong feelings about this one way or the other. But I have an inherent distrust based on Kevin O’Leary’s Involvement, combined with the sneaky fast-track this project took.

But I have seen some explanation that seem to address the water and energy issues, if they can be taken at face value.

[Goatnapper'96]

I have a few friends who went. They are fine salt-of-the-earth people who are mostly clueless about tech. One who works for Thiokol, making airbags, was the loudest in his FB comments. Most of what he stated was probably similar to your neighbor woman. As I watched the news coverage, I recognized several people whom I've seen protesting other things as far away as southern Utah. I've been perusing related social media, and the bots and outside agitators are doing their thing. I'm niether for or against the data center, but much of the info being delivered is propaganda.

I worry that all this will increase my drive time for my weekly trip to Eagle Mountain. Once I get on I-84 at Snowville I can usually just set that Cruise Control at 85 and roll until about the construction near Roy.

[Shaka]

Man, the politics in Utah surrounding this data center in Box Elder county have been bonkers. We have a friendly neighborhood email group that is usually dedicated to people getting rid of old stuff or sharing the time of an elementary school production of some sort. But a woman in our neighborhood went on a rant about the data center and encouraged everybody to write letters to oppose it, and she listed all kinds of claims about the water and other facts associated that she pulled out of thin air. Then another guy calmly rebutted each of the issues she raised. And then another woman angrily jumped in. But that is nothing compared to the social media chaos that is going on. Just the claims made about the water alone are absurd. Everyone is suddenly an expert now but they are just making things up and repeating any nonsense that confirms their biases.

I have a few friends who went. They are fine salt-of-the-earth people who are mostly clueless about tech. One who works for Thiokol, making airbags, was the loudest in his FB comments. Most of what he stated was probably similar to your neighbor woman. As I watched the news coverage, I recognized several people whom I've seen protesting other things as far away as southern Utah. I've been perusing related social media, and the bots and outside agitators are doing their thing. I'm niether for or against the data center, but much of the info being delivered is propaganda.

[BigPiney]

30 years ago, my hometown started to grow quickly. There was a new subdivision next to a family friend's farm. The people in this subdivision came out enmass to a city planning meeting to oppose a planned development of the farm. They opposed it because they wanted to keep the area rural because that is what they moved there for. The next day he spread especially bad smelling manure on his field next to the subdivision. Did it about once a month for 3 months. They didn't really have the power to stop it but I admired his pettiness.

That is awesome.

I live in a county that is 98% public land. I hear coyotes and cows at night even though I am in a little subdivision. I love the rural aspect but would not begrudge anyone that could obtain some of that land and develop it.

Funny people that don't want someone do exactly what they did. And it is like they can't even see the hypocrisy.

[USUC]

I am not sure which side to believe, but I do know that I have no sympathy for the folks interviewed on one of the news sites that said they moved out there to have a rural experience. What?!? Your rural experience preference takes away the property rights of anyone around you? The only way to guarantee land next to you is used in a manner you approve of is to purchase that land.

30 years ago, my hometown started to grow quickly. There was a new subdivision next to a family friend's farm. The people in this subdivision came out enmass to a city planning meeting to oppose a planned development of the farm. They opposed it because they wanted to keep the area rural because that is what they moved there for. The next day he spread especially bad smelling manure on his field next to the subdivision. Did it about once a month for 3 months. They didn't really have the power to stop it but I admired his pettiness.

[Copelius]

Man, the politics in Utah surrounding this data center in Box Elder county have been bonkers. We have a friendly neighborhood email group that is usually dedicated to people getting rid of old stuff or sharing the time of an elementary school production of some sort. But a woman in our neighborhood went on a rant about the data center and encouraged everybody to write letters to oppose it, and she listed all kinds of claims about the water and other facts associated that she pulled out of thin air. Then another guy calmly rebutted each of the issues she raised. And then another woman angrily jumped in. But that is nothing compared to the social media chaos that is going on. Just the claims made about the water alone are absurd. Everyone is suddenly an expert now but they are just making things up and repeating any nonsense that confirms their biases.

I am not sure which side to believe, but I do know that I have no sympathy for the folks interviewed on one of the news sites that said they moved out there to have a rural experience. What?!? Your rural experience preference takes away the property rights of anyone around you? The only way to guarantee land next to you is used in a manner you approve of is to purchase that land.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Man, the politics in Utah surrounding this data center in Box Elder county have been bonkers. We have a friendly neighborhood email group that is usually dedicated to people getting rid of old stuff or sharing the time of an elementary school production of some sort. But a woman in our neighborhood went on a rant about the data center and encouraged everybody to write letters to oppose it, and she listed all kinds of claims about the water and other facts associated that she pulled out of thin air. Then another guy calmly rebutted each of the issues she raised. And then another woman angrily jumped in. But that is nothing compared to the social media chaos that is going on. Just the claims made about the water alone are absurd. Everyone is suddenly an expert now but they are just making things up and repeating any nonsense that confirms their biases.

[Moliere]

One thing I didn’t get from the article is the feasibility of the power needs. Like is the natural gas pipeline even sufficient enough to deliver more energy that what the whole of Utah currently uses?

Yes, very likely. The Northwest Pipeline, which is owned by Williams could easily provide enough gas to power a plant to produce that much power. I’m sure it would result in higher rates for customers that receive gas from that pipeline though

[Northwestcoug]

One thing I didn’t get from the article is the feasibility of the power needs. Like is the natural gas pipeline even sufficient enough to deliver more energy that what the whole of Utah currently uses?

[MartyFunkhouser]

Preach, brother.

The only way we are going to have clean energy and a stable grid is nuclear becoming the primary source of energy generation. Renewables are a nice supplement, but they cannot and will never be a primary source. We need to invest in nuclear and should have done it long ago.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Also, if you are any kind of environmentalist (or climate change catastrophist) at all, then you should get on board the nuclear bandwagon. Nuclear is the most energy dense viable power source at the moment with the least environmental impact; even including Fukushima, Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island and all other nuclear accidents.

Preach, brother.