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  • I have no specific knowledge here, but I’m am generally against putting chemicals in our drinking water. I think fluoride is great as a topical treatment for teeth, but I don’t trust that ingesting fluoride has any benefits. If someone can explain the chemical or biological mechanisms of our bodies taking 8ppm from water and somehow strengthening our tooth enamel, I am open to changing my mind.

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    • I grew up with fluoridated water. The dentists always comments about how much better off my teeth are than the rest of the family who haven’t had it.

      I’m glad I had it growing up.

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      • There are enough studies that show inverse correlation between higher fluoride exposure and children’s IQ that I think it's irresponsible to continue to add to culinary water systems. Especially when the benefit is so easily found through other methods. I know there are arguments over correlation v. causation, but the risk/reward calculus just doesn't make sense to me.

        Imagine taking your child to a pediatrician and they offer a treatment that would certainly reduce their risk of tooth decay by 25%, but it also might correlate with a lower IQ. I wouldn't accept that risk for my child.

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        • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
          There are enough studies that show inverse correlation between higher fluoride exposure and children’s IQ that I think it's irresponsible to continue to add to culinary water systems. Especially when the benefit is so easily found through other methods. I know there are arguments over correlation v. causation, but the risk/reward calculus just doesn't make sense to me.

          Imagine taking your child to a pediatrician and they offer a treatment that would certainly reduce their risk of tooth decay by 25%, but it also might correlate with a lower IQ. I wouldn't accept that risk for my child.
          My parents had us take fluoride tablets growing up, so I assume I got enough fluoride. I have poor teeth genetics though, so multiple cavities and 3 crowns later, i am pretty sure i won't need dentures until my 80's.

          Re fluoride makes kids dumb: wonder if those correlations were controlled for economic factors. I would assume that communities banning fluoride are more affluent. Pro-fluoride arguments are often made citing "what about the poor kids who can't afford the dentist?" and as we know, poor kids also can't afford tutors for IQ tests.

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          • my kids did fluoride drops prescribed by their doctor.

            Loss in IQ correlates to double the amount that is in drinking water. So what we have in places is fine. More studies should be done but people are overreacting it seems.

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            • Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
              my kids did fluoride drops prescribed by their doctor.

              Loss in IQ correlates to double the amount that is in drinking water. So what we have in places is fine. More studies should be done but people are overreacting it seems.
              “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance.” Aroldis Chapman

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              • Originally posted by wally View Post

                My parents had us take fluoride tablets growing up, so I assume I got enough fluoride. I have poor teeth genetics though, so multiple cavities and 3 crowns later, i am pretty sure i won't need dentures until my 80's.

                Re fluoride makes kids dumb: wonder if those correlations were controlled for economic factors. I would assume that communities banning fluoride are more affluent. Pro-fluoride arguments are often made citing "what about the poor kids who can't afford the dentist?" and as we know, poor kids also can't afford tutors for IQ tests.
                We had flouridated water in my city. My mom also gave us the same tablets.

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                • It sounds like Utah is trying to get rid of voting by mail. Trumpism is so fun!

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                  • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                    It sounds like Utah is trying to get rid of voting by mail. Trumpism is so fun!
                    While I’m not thrilled about it, this isn’t completely accurate from what I understand. It will be an opt in system rather than a ballot sent to everyone.

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                    • Originally posted by beefytee View Post

                      While I’m not thrilled about it, this isn’t completely accurate from what I understand. It will be an opt in system rather than a ballot sent to everyone.
                      I'm not sure why they'd need to do that when you can go vote in person if you want to anyway. It's a hurdle intended to complicate things.

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                      • Agreed. I would rather it not change.

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                        • Originally posted by beefytee View Post

                          While I’m not thrilled about it, this isn’t completely accurate from what I understand. It will be an opt in system rather than a ballot sent to everyone.
                          This is complete MAGA BS. Not your post, but the proposed change.
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • This is terribly sad.

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                            • Dang.

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                              • That's very sad. Our youngest worked as a clinical studies coordinator for glioblastoma research at Huntsman. After doing it for 2-3 years, he resigned as he couldn't help but become very close to patients he worked with, knowing they'd be dead within 1-2 years. It became too much for him to bear.

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