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Originally posted by frank ryan
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Well if they didnt go through the routine process how did several school district cancel school so their teachers could go to lansing and protest? Labor knew this was coming. They put several initiatives on the ballot to strengthen their position. They were all voted down and now they are crying sour grapes because the elected officials went through a completely legal process and passed a law."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla -
My post wasn't directed at you, but they handled the legislation in a manner that you handle an issue you know is loaded and controversial.Originally posted by YOhio View Post
No MRD, they didn't know it was coming. After it was introduced and rubber-stamped then they reacted. The gov. didn't sign it right away. The bills had no hearing and that isn't typical. It happens but it is far from the norm.Comment
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They are either lying or stupid then.Originally posted by frank ryan View Post"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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Ohio and Kasich did not pander to any certain groups but looked to do away with it across the board (Collective Bargaining increases etc).Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
It was passed through the house and Senate but the people spoke and changed it via election. Kasich was very gracious in that and simply said "The people have spoken".
IMO. If he had left the Police and Firefighters out of the law it would still be in place today. But he did not want to pander to any group and felt it should eb for all.
BTW: Kasich's rating is only increasing and will more than likely win a 2nd term imo...Comment
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I didn't say what I think is better. I just am touched that normally it is the losing side who suddenly is so alarmed that the majority suddenly ignores their interpretation of such noble democratic ideals. You see generally folks believe in what they vote for and usually politicians believe in their ideology over process. I am just touched by the Michigan democrats sudden conviction to the process.Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
I will be honest Frank, I don't know what motivates you but perhaps my sarcasm isn't shining through enough for others to conclude I don't really think it was the process that is bothering most of those whining about the process.Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
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I'm familiar with what happened. I brought that up to demonstrate that the general public isn't frothing at the mouth to curtail unions. One in eight Ohio voters had a connection to the UAW. It may very well be sound fiscal policy but this isn't a winner for a party that lost a presidential election they should have won. It is no way to battle the perception of being the Koch brothers' bitch.Originally posted by dabrockster View PostLast edited by frank ryan; 12-12-2012, 08:32 AM.Comment
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Michigan's Law left the Police and Firefighters out. A good compromise.Originally posted by dabrockster View Post"Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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You are right, like YO pointed out this stuff happens in all politics. The losers do selectively crow about the unfairnesss and illegitimacy of it all. It is definitely a chicken shit move though. They didn't want public debate or any time because they feared the opposition. Hell, napper I don't know what motivates me either!Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostComment
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Forcing cops to join a union? Seems just as wrong as forcing anyone else.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostComment
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I agree but the case they made was that those were two positions where it was vital that comraderie exist.Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
You wouldn't want a firefighter to not have a guys back in a fire because he wasnt union."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam CarollaComment
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I'd hope that wouldn't happen but I never thought of that. I think there are some valid arguements to be made against public unions but the cop and prison guard unions are some of the best examples of overreach.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostComment
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In addition to what you said, a huge factor was getting it on the ballot in an off year election. I don't think it would have been overturned had it been on the ballot in 2012.Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
To the point about Kasich, we'll see. I saw a poll yesterday where he was +7% in approval but -7% in whether he deserves a second term. Jobs Ohio sure has turned out to be a cluster.Comment
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In Ohio, they made a strong case of how the Bargaining Agreement in place with the Police and Firefighters that it would of been detrimental to the "Safety of the Public", but Kasich did not budge on it.. A majority of that workforce who would vote GOP turned that law on its head..Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
I agree with YO. It was sent through on a "Off Year".. I am not sure how it would of went had it been during the Presidential election, but Kasich also knew he has to do it quick and at the very beginning of his term so he would have time to recover from the windfall...Comment
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This may be true but what I think what will keep Kasich is more due to who the Dems run for Gov. There is talk of Strickland again.. Hell, if that happens, I can tell you that we have MANY libs who are very impressed with Kasich's OHT office that I could easily see them keep Kasich knowing what we got from Strickland..Originally posted by YOhio View Post
I just don't see a very popular opponent for Kasich yet..Comment
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