Oh no more trolling lawyers!

[falafel]

That is a sweet office. Is he in-house counsel for a whorehouse?

Is that the dude from Revenge of the Nerds?

[creekster]

Less expensive than what? Every single thing I mention can be remedied at your local Ross/Kohl's/Sears.

Maybe, maybe not.

For example, the puffiness of the sleeve is determined by the arm hole size (unless you have pleats near the shoulder, which is pretty rare and is usually accompanied by ruffles on the chest and a pirate hat) and that is just not something most people care to worry about, especially if they are buying at Kohl's or Ross etc. Less expensive shirts are usually made on one form so they have the same sleeve for more than one collar size. They thus tend to have larger arm hole sizes for smaller collars while higher quality shirts tend to have more fitted dimensions that change from size to size.

Its just not that big of a deal to most people. You buy the shirt and wear it.

[falafel]

Maybe, maybe not.

For example, the puffiness of the sleeve is determined by the arm hole size (unless you have pleats near the shoulder, which is pretty rare and is usually accompanied by ruffles on the chest and a pirate hat) and that is just not something most people care to worry about, especially if they are buying at Kohl's or Ross etc. Less expensive shirts are usually made on one form so they have the same sleeve for more than one collar size. They thus tend to have larger arm hole sizes for smaller collars while higher quality shirts tend to have more fitted dimensions that change from size to size.

Its just not that big of a deal to most people. You buy the shirt and wear it.

My main issue with the shirt is that it looks uncomfortable. I'm sure its got way too much polyester in it. I don't trust a non-cotton dress shirt. And no way would I try to remedy D-hole's issues by shopping at Ross for a dress shirt.

[Donuthole]

Maybe, maybe not.

For example, the puffiness of the sleeve is determined by the arm hole size (unless you have pleats near the shoulder, which is pretty rare and is usually accompanied by ruffles on the chest and a pirate hat) and that is just not something most people care to worry about, especially if they are buying at Kohl's or Ross etc. Less expensive shirts are usually made on one form so they have the same sleeve for more than one collar size. They thus tend to have larger arm hole sizes for smaller collars while higher quality shirts tend to have more fitted dimensions that change from size to size.

Its just not that big of a deal to most people. You buy the shirt and wear it.

Fitted or "slim fit" shirts have smaller arm holes than regular fit shirts, even if they are still one-size fits all. I bought one at Kohls last month to wear under a sweater vest I received for Christmas.

[creekster]

Fitted or "slim fit" shirts have smaller arm holes than regular fit shirts, even if they are still one-size fits all. I bought one at Kohls last month to wear under a sweater vest I received for Christmas.

OK. I am in the "not that big of a deal" category.

[TripletDaddy]

Maybe, maybe not.

For example, the puffiness of the sleeve is determined by the arm hole size (unless you have pleats near the shoulder, which is pretty rare and is usually accompanied by ruffles on the chest and a pirate hat) and that is just not something most people care to worry about, especially if they are buying at Kohl's or Ross etc. Less expensive shirts are usually made on one form so they have the same sleeve for more than one collar size. They thus tend to have larger arm hole sizes for smaller collars while higher quality shirts tend to have more fitted dimensions that change from size to size.

Its just not that big of a deal to most people. You buy the shirt and wear it.

I no like blousy dress shirts. For an extra little bit, take your dress shirts to the tailor and have them fixed. Sleeves dont need to bloom out at the wrist above the cuff and there is no reason to have a bunching of excess material above your waist when you tuck in your shirt. Same theory with pleats. Why do people like having a mess of excess material bunching up about them?

Larger guys make this mistake all the time...they actually look bigger than they are because they are wearing so much excess fabric. Get the sides taken in or put in darts. Buy flat front pants.

It doesn't cost that much and makes a world of difference.

[Donuthole]

My main issue with the shirt is that it looks uncomfortable. I'm sure its got way too much polyester in it. I don't trust a non-cotton dress shirt. And no way would I try to remedy D-hole's issues by shopping at Ross for a dress shirt.

I have a Ted Baker shirt with fitted sleeves I bought at Ross. It is spectacular. I also, as mentioned above, have a fitted shirt from Kohl's, as well as two fitted shirts from JCPenney.

I don't mind a little polyester in my shirts. I also don't mind a 100% cotton shirt, so long as it isn't that cotton that looks wrinkled the second after you put it on.

[creekster]

I no like blousy dress shirts. For an extra little bit, take your dress shirts to the tailor and have them fixed. Sleeves dont need to bloom out at the wrist above the cuff and there is no reason to have a bunching of excess material above your waist when you tuck in your shirt. Same theory with pleats. Why do people like having a mess of excess material bunching up about them?

Larger guys make this mistake all the time...they actually look bigger than they are because they are wearing so much excess fabric. Get the sides taken in or put in darts. Buy flat front pants.

It doesn't cost that much and makes a world of difference.

IOW, nothing that cant be fixed at Kohl's and your tailor.

[Donuthole]

IOW, nothing that cant be fixed at Kohl's and/or any dry cleaner who has a tailor on staff.

Fixed that for you.

[falafel]

I have a Ted Baker shirt with fitted sleeves I bought at Ross. It is spectacular. I also, as mentioned above, have a fitted shirt from Kohl's, as well as two fitted shirts from JCPenney.

I don't mind a little polyester in my shirts. I also don't mind a 100% cotton shirt, so long as it isn't that cotton that looks wrinkled the second after you put it on.

I have never seen anything nicer than a Nicole Miller shirt at Ross. The rest were Nautica and worse. Enzo anyone?

[falafel]

IOW, nothing that cant be fixed at Kohl's and your tailor.

Do people have local tailors? I bought a few shirts several months ago that need some tailoring. The sleeves, which are 34/35, fit like they're 38/39 (if that's even a thing). Other than that, they're great shirts. I don't think I trust the tailor at my dry cleaners. Nor do I think I want to spend what I imagine a tailor would charge per sleeve. My experiences with tailor shops have not been great.

[Uncle Ted]

Is that the dude from Revenge of the Nerds?

Hey, don't be pushing this guy off as some engineer or something. You lawyers own this one.

[falafel]

Hey, don't be pushing this guy off as some engineer or something. You lawyers own this one.

I'm pretty sure its him, or his offspring.





Conclusive proof!

[TripletDaddy]

IOW, nothing that cant be fixed at Kohl's and your tailor.

You dont have to buy bespoke to have a nice shirt.

Seriously, a great place to buy a nice shirt without breaking the bank is Nordstrom Rack. You can get a nice dress shirt there for $30, have it tailored, and be all in for under $50. Compare to a $150 shirt at Thomas Pink's, for example. If you spend enough time, you could probably land a shirt for $20.

You can't fix a shirt if the material is too cheap...those wax paper thin white shirts that missionaries wear, for example. But I see no reason why you can't tailor a shirt from Kohl's or anywhere else.

The fitted shirts Donute is talking about....that is basically what I am suggesting. Have all your shirts fitted. It makes a huge difference and you will never want to go back to wearing generically cut shirts from a plastic bag on a shelf.

I like Ted Baker stuff. I have some ties, pants, and shirts from Ted Baker and they all fit really well.

Finding a tailor is a different story altogether. In OC and LA, it was easy to find a good tailor because of the proximity to the garment district, lots of high end shopping, and the movie industry.

If you dont like in a huge metro area, you can still find a good tailor. One good strategy is to go to your local Nordstrom or Macy's Mens and talk to the in-house tailor there. Ask for a recommendation. Sometimes, the in-house will also do work on the side (on the DL, though). And in the case of many Macy's Mens, they actually farm out all their work to a local shop, anyway, so find out where it is and go there. These are tailors that are used to doing work on suits that cost upwards of $2000, so they can be trusted.

Pants can also be fixed. Fix the waist, remove the cuffs, taper the legs a bit. A good tailor will do wonders for you.

One of my BYU track jackets just busted a zipper. I took it to the tailor. $5 later, he put in a new zipper. Yeah!

[old_gregg]

You dont have to buy bespoke to have a nice shirt.

Seriously, a great place to buy a nice shirt without breaking the bank is Nordstrom Rack. You can get a nice dress shirt there for $30, have it tailored, and be all in for under $50. Compare to a $150 shirt at Thomas Pink's, for example. If you spend enough time, you could probably land a shirt for $20.

You can't fix a shirt if the material is too cheap...those wax paper thin white shirts that missionaries wear, for example. But I see no reason why you can't tailor a shirt from Kohl's or anywhere else.

The fitted shirts Donute is talking about....that is basically what I am suggesting. Have all your shirts fitted. It makes a huge difference and you will never want to go back to wearing generically cut shirts from a plastic bag on a shelf.

I like Ted Baker stuff. I have some ties, pants, and shirts from Ted Baker and they all fit really well.

Finding a tailor is a different story altogether. In OC and LA, it was easy to find a good tailor because of the proximity to the garment district, lots of high end shopping, and the movie industry.

If you dont like in a huge metro area, you can still find a good tailor. One good strategy is to go to your local Nordstrom or Macy's Mens and talk to the in-house tailor there. Ask for a recommendation. Sometimes, the in-house will also do work on the side (on the DL, though). And in the case of many Macy's Mens, they actually farm out all their work to a local shop, anyway, so find out where it is and go there. These are tailors that are used to doing work on suits that cost upwards of $2000, so they can be trusted.

Pants can also be fixed. Fix the waist, remove the cuffs, taper the legs a bit. A good tailor will do wonders for you.

One of my BYU track jackets just busted a zipper. I took it to the tailor. $5 later, he put in a new zipper. Yeah!

so mr mac is a no go, then?