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  • DapperDan
    Whut?
    • Mar 2010
    • 1132
    #46
    Originally posted by creekster View Post
    I didn't think any of them were 'raised' in Switzerland but that one of the middle sons attend a school there. The younger one might have attended for a year or two but has been largely if not completely raised in North Korea, as I understand it. All of the precious leaders live in luxury; why do you think this would make a difference for this kid?

    The bigger issue, it seems to me, is that he is 20 something years old and is being placed above all these old farts who have clawed their way into the power structure. The intrigue in the palace could be very interesting. But Il Pad is probably right for the common man, is my guess.
    Any way you look at it the kid's under a lot of pressure.

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      • BlueHair
        Boom Bitches!!!
        • Nov 2008
        • 2894
        #47
        Originally posted by creekster View Post
        This is true although the North's acquisition of nukes has bought it additional room for error.
        Can they use nukes effectively in an area that small? Seoul is awfully close to the border.
        Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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          • creekster
            It is NOT a monkey!
            • Nov 2008
            • 22661
            #48
            Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
            Can they use nukes effectively in an area that small? Seoul is awfully close to the border.
            See Dapper Dan's link. Who knows what they might do. The point is, I think, that the fact of the nuke allows them to act even crazier before they might face the big retaliation.
            PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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              • Devildog
                Motor Boatin' SOB
                • Oct 2010
                • 1239
                #49
                Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                Can they use nukes effectively in an area that small? Seoul is awfully close to the border.
                Yes.

                N. Korea has nothing on their side to lose that is nearly as important as Seoul.

                I think most of us can agree, that at the very least, Kim Jong Ill acts crazy.

                If something happens that legitimately places the entire future of N. Korea in jeopardy.... I wouldn't put it past them.
                "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                -Thucydides

                "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                -Miyamoto Musashi

                Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                  • BlueHair
                    Boom Bitches!!!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 2894
                    #50
                    Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                    Yes.

                    N. Korea has nothing on their side to lose that is nearly as important as Seoul.

                    I think most of us can agree, that at the very least, Kim Jong Ill acts crazy.

                    If something happens that legitimately places the entire future of N. Korea in jeopardy.... I wouldn't put it past them.

                    I agree he is acting crazy, but is he really crazy? Desperate worries me more than crazy. He may be both. If he's not, he's got a lot to lose.
                    Just try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. Oaks

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                      • creekster
                        It is NOT a monkey!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22661
                        #51
                        Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                        I agree he is acting crazy, but is he really crazy? Desperate worries me more than crazy. He may be both. If he's not, he's got a lot to lose.
                        Kidding aside, I dont think he is crazy. He does have something to lose, as you point out. But he could easily miscalculate. He might believe even some of his own propaganda. Either way, the nuclear threat shifts the scale of tolerated behavior in his favor.
                        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                          • Devildog
                            Motor Boatin' SOB
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 1239
                            #52
                            Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                            I agree he is acting crazy, but is he really crazy? Desperate worries me more than crazy. He may be both. If he's not, he's got a lot to lose.
                            He's always been a good negotiator... it might just be a tactic... however, it's one that has been effective.
                            "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                            -Thucydides

                            "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                            -Miyamoto Musashi

                            Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                              • Devildog
                                Motor Boatin' SOB
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 1239
                                #53
                                This picture seems appropriate to the discussion. Maybe Goatnapper can appreciate it too.

                                "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                                -Thucydides

                                "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                                -Miyamoto Musashi

                                Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                                  • happyone
                                    Board Bookworm
                                    • Mar 2009
                                    • 5398
                                    #54
                                    Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                                    This picture seems appropriate to the discussion. Maybe Goatnapper can appreciate it too.

                                    LOL

                                    I may be small, but I'm slow.

                                    A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or national guard or reserve is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to, "The United States of America ", for an amount of "up to and including my life - it's an honor."

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                                      • happyone
                                        Board Bookworm
                                        • Mar 2009
                                        • 5398
                                        #55
                                        Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                                        Can they use nukes effectively in an area that small? Seoul is awfully close to the border.
                                        depends on the yield, but probably

                                        I may be small, but I'm slow.

                                        A veteran - whether active duty, retired, or national guard or reserve is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to, "The United States of America ", for an amount of "up to and including my life - it's an honor."

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                                          • Devildog
                                            Motor Boatin' SOB
                                            • Oct 2010
                                            • 1239
                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by happyone View Post
                                            LOL
                                            I should have remembered you are a dogface too.
                                            "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                                            -Thucydides

                                            "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                                            -Miyamoto Musashi

                                            Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                                              • statman
                                                Rabblerouser
                                                • Aug 2009
                                                • 2799
                                                #57
                                                Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                                                True, but leaders miscalculate all the time. Saddam did not believe that what he was doing was going to provoke the overthrow of his government and ultimately lead to his hanging. One of the Kims may someday miscalculate was to what the SK's will accept. Personalities can change the course of history.
                                                Saddam thought he had enough dirt on the French to ensure that they vetoed the UN's vote to allow the US to go into Iraq. My guess is that the Mosad got to Chirac ahead of the vote and made sure he knew that he'd have bigger problems than corruption charges if there was a veto. (It was an absolute shock that the French veto didn't happen)

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                                                  • statman
                                                    Rabblerouser
                                                    • Aug 2009
                                                    • 2799
                                                    #58
                                                    Originally posted by BlueHair View Post
                                                    Can they use nukes effectively in an area that small? Seoul is awfully close to the border.
                                                    The nukes aren't there to threaten SKor. The North's artillery does that effectively. The nukes are there to threaten Japan (and thereby the US) - to get us to stay out if something were to start.

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                                                      • old_gregg
                                                        scaly man fish
                                                        • Nov 2009
                                                        • 16915
                                                        #59
                                                        artillery shots heard...


                                                        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101126/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash
                                                        Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                                                          • UtahDan
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                                                            • Nov 2008
                                                            • 14496
                                                            #60

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