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  • frank ryan
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 12389

    #31
    With the U.S. pressuring China to get involved, this has to raise Huntsman's profile.

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    • Surfah
      Where's Wallace?
      • Nov 2008
      • 33726

      #32
      Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
      With the U.S. pressuring China to get involved, this has to raise Huntsman's profile.
      For Pres!
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      • UtahDan
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        • Nov 2008
        • 14496

        #33
        Originally posted by camleish View Post
        unfortunately, china's inevitable intervention in a korean conflict will probably change this.

        the dmz is a really weird thing. it's still absolutely loaded with landmines, and will likely make major troop movement difficult. sk would also be dominant in any kind of air combat. there would be a very small window between any kind of aggression and a complete crippling of the north korean military and government from the air.
        As I understand it, China's primary concern is that it will be flooded with NK refugees.

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        • happyone
          Board Bookworm
          • Mar 2009
          • 5398

          #34
          Originally posted by camleish View Post
          unfortunately, china's inevitable intervention in a korean conflict will probably change this.

          the dmz is a really weird thing. it's still absolutely loaded with landmines, and will likely make major troop movement difficult. sk would also be dominant in any kind of air combat. there would be a very small window between any kind of aggression and a complete crippling of the north korean military and government from the air.
          I think assulting through the DMZ would be WW I all over again. The ROK would probably have to some sort of amphibious operation, if they wanted to go north. Which IMO would have to have some sort of OK from the US

          The North has been digging tunnels under the DMZ for years.

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          • Devildog
            Motor Boatin' SOB
            • Oct 2010
            • 1239

            #35
            I believe China's main concern right now is growing their economy and trying to provide jobs for their people.

            N. Korea is probably a pain in their ass.

            All this talk about N. Korea ceasing to exist...

            Did we "overlook" the fact that they have nuclear weapons? Talk about an equalizer.

            N. Korea has been a consistent nuisance since the armistice was signed. They throw a fit for awhile and then get some temporary payout.... then they calm down for awhile... and then they do it all again.
            "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
            -Thucydides

            "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
            -Miyamoto Musashi

            Si vis pacem, para bellum

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            • Katy Lied
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 9435

              #36
              Originally posted by Devildog View Post
              I believe China's main concern right now is growing their economy and trying to provide jobs for their people.

              N. Korea is probably a pain in their ass.

              All this talk about N. Korea ceasing to exist...

              Did we "overlook" the fact that they have nuclear weapons? Talk about an equalizer.

              N. Korea has been a consistent nuisance since the armistice was signed. They throw a fit for awhile and then get some temporary payout.... then they calm down for awhile... and then they do it all again.
              I've read a lot on North Korea, and I think your opinion is 100% spot on.

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              • Devildog
                Motor Boatin' SOB
                • Oct 2010
                • 1239

                #37
                Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                I've read a lot on North Korea, and I think your opinion is 100% spot on.
                Makes you wonder what they want now.
                "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                -Thucydides

                "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                -Miyamoto Musashi

                Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                • Katy Lied
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 9435

                  #38
                  Sometimes I think the North Korean govt does it when the weather turns bad, or there are food shortages, or the level of general discontent turns up. The leaders ramp up the fears of open warfare, and the malcontents shut up in the midst of the resulting fear and patriotic fervor.

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                  • Devildog
                    Motor Boatin' SOB
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1239

                    #39
                    My analogy is weak... but they remind me of a teenager.

                    I don't always understand the motives of my kids either.

                    Your guess could be completely accurate.

                    I see them often getting concessions from others for their fits... but maybe they just want to be relevant again right now.

                    They know what the stakes are... and they always do enough to get noticed (and gain ground toward whatever their objective is)... but not enough to ever trigger the big response.
                    "We should remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school."
                    -Thucydides

                    "Study strategy over the years and achieve the spirit of the warrior. Today is victory over yourself of yesterday; tomorrow is your victory over lesser men."
                    -Miyamoto Musashi

                    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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                    • UtahDan
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                      • Nov 2008
                      • 14496

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                      I believe China's main concern right now is growing their economy and trying to provide jobs for their people.

                      N. Korea is probably a pain in their ass.

                      All this talk about N. Korea ceasing to exist...

                      Did we "overlook" the fact that they have nuclear weapons? Talk about an equalizer.

                      N. Korea has been a consistent nuisance since the armistice was signed. They throw a fit for awhile and then get some temporary payout.... then they calm down for awhile... and then they do it all again.
                      True, but leaders miscalculate all the time. Saddam did not believe that what he was doing was going to provoke the overthrow of his government and ultimately lead to his hanging. One of the Kims may someday miscalculate was to what the SK's will accept. Personalities can change the course of history.

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                      • creekster
                        It is NOT a monkey!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 22661

                        #41
                        Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                        True, but leaders miscalculate all the time. Saddam did not believe that what he was doing was going to provoke the overthrow of his government and ultimately lead to his hanging. One of the Kims may someday miscalculate was to what the SK's will accept. Personalities can change the course of history.
                        This is true although the North's acquisition of nukes has bought it additional room for error.
                        PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                        • happyone
                          Board Bookworm
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 5398

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Devildog View Post
                          Makes you wonder what they want now.
                          There is speculation that is has to do with the succession crisis, also there has been speculation that they want more aid

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                          • Katy Lied
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 9435

                            #43
                            Originally posted by happyone View Post
                            There is speculation that is has to do with the succession crisis, also there has been speculation that they want more aid
                            I'm very curious about the heir apparent, the one who was raised in Switzerland. (1) I wonder if Kim JOng Ill raised him there because he was afraid for his life in Korea. (2) Being raised in relative prosperity, I wonder how the people will accept him as their new beloved leader.

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                            • il Padrino Ute
                              Junior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 19161

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                              I'm very curious about the heir apparent, the one who was raised in Switzerland. (1) I wonder if Kim JOng Ill raised him there because he was afraid for his life in Korea. (2) Being raised in relative prosperity, I wonder how the people will accept him as their new beloved leader.
                              My guess would be that they love him or else.
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                              • creekster
                                It is NOT a monkey!
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 22661

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                                I'm very curious about the heir apparent, the one who was raised in Switzerland. (1) I wonder if Kim JOng Ill raised him there because he was afraid for his life in Korea. (2) Being raised in relative prosperity, I wonder how the people will accept him as their new beloved leader.
                                I didn't think any of them were 'raised' in Switzerland but that one of the middle sons attend a school there. The younger one might have attended for a year or two but has been largely if not completely raised in North Korea, as I understand it. All of the precious leaders live in luxury; why do you think this would make a difference for this kid?

                                The bigger issue, it seems to me, is that he is 20 something years old and is being placed above all these old farts who have clawed their way into the power structure. The intrigue in the palace could be very interesting. But Il Pad is probably right for the common man, is my guess.
                                PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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