Voter ID Question

[frank ryan]

You only have to prove citizenship once, an then you are on the voter rolls forever unless you move. The elderly and shutinsare the least likely to move so again, I think this concern is very immaterial.

Thr whole “but getting an ID or BC is administratively difficult” doesn’t move the needle for me since I have kids living in different states that have gotten both with very little effort. It’s a bogeyman argument of the left that doesn’t hold water in the real world.

Moli, your kids were not in this situation, your anecdotes aren't illuminating.

[Shaka]

Moli, your kids were not in this situation, your anecdotes aren't illuminating.

I find his anecdote worth the equivalent of 500 Lumens.

[Northwestcoug]

Again, what happens with mail-in voting? The ideal situation is that you give proof of who you are at the time of registration (isn't this like a universal requirement anyways?), and then you're good to go for the rest of your voting life. But anytime you alter your registration information (address change, party affiliation, name change), do you have to go to wherever each state mandates that a certain level of expertise rooting out fraud to prove you are who you are, with varying degrees of skepticism based on what you look like?

[Donuthole]

Again, we have election integrity. But we also have people who are intentionally sowing doubt using misleading information about whether we have election integrity. Misinformation is not a good reason to change something that is already working.

[dabrockster]

Again, what happens with mail-in voting? The ideal situation is that you give proof of who you are at the time of registration (isn't this like a universal requirement anyways?), and then you're good to go for the rest of your voting life. But anytime you alter your registration information (address change, party affiliation, name change), do you have to go to wherever each state mandates that a certain level of expertise rooting out fraud to prove you are who you are, with varying degrees of skepticism based on what you look like?

I have done mail-in voting for over 10-years. I started doing this because I work the polls. I have loved the convenience of it ever since.

Newsflash: Mail-in ballots are not counted till after Election Day. They are held and cross-checked to ensure no one showed up at the polls and voted in your place. At which point the vote becomes canceled. So, essentially, the election is called well before the official count which includes the mail-in ballots. Rarely do they hold a results to count the mail-in ballots.

Now if you go the a polling place to early vote. Those count and the day of the election, all polls are given a update roster which includes all of those who have done early voting in case someone shows up to try and cast a vote for you again. Those early voters are crossed out and you cannot vote. I have run into a situation where a person showed up, saw he voted early and said he did not. Refused to leave u til he was allowed to vote. He voted provisionally, and those get places with all the other mail-in votes to be reviewed after election night at the board of elections. They investigate those situations..

This nationalization of elections is a terrible idea. Leave it where it is.

I will be honest, the numbers from the previous election where 20 million voters came out to vote from the previous election or any election draws a critical eye. But turnout in 2024!was similar but does leave me to wonder. What causes that huge increase.

2012: 129.1 million
2016: 136.8 million
2020: 158.4 million
2024: 156.3 million

[dabrockster]

Moli, your kids were not in this situation, your anecdotes aren't illuminating.

I love how frankie elects to just be a dismissive asshole when he thinks Moli’s situation doesn’t fit his narrative. Neither does a homeless person showing up at the polls to vote so your bitching is equally not relevant nor illuminating

In fact. Ai would say a person making the effort to ensure they can or is more relevant which does in fact fit his situation.

[myboynoah]

I have done mail-in voting for over 10-years. I started doing this because I work the polls. I have loved the convenience of it ever since.

Newsflash: Mail-in ballots are not counted till after Election Day. They are held and cross-checked to ensure no one showed up at the polls and voted in your place. At which point the vote becomes canceled. So, essentially, the election is called well before the official count which includes the mail-in ballots. Rarely do they hold a results to count the mail-in ballots.

Now if you go the a polling place to early vote. Those count and the day of the election, all polls are given a update roster which includes all of those who have done early voting in case someone shows up to try and cast a vote for you again. Those early voters are crossed out and you cannot vote. I have run into a situation where a person showed up, saw he voted early and said he did not. Refused to leave u til he was allowed to vote. He voted provisionally, and those get places with all the other mail-in votes to be reviewed after election night at the board of elections. They investigate those situations..

This nationalization of elections is a terrible idea. Leave it where it is.

I will be honest, the numbers from the previous election where 20 million voters came out to vote from the previous election or any election draws a critical eye. But turnout in 2024!was similar but does leave me to wonder. What causes that huge increase.

2012: 129.1 million
2016: 136.8 million
2020: 158.4 million
2024: 156.3 million

It's all those undocumented immigrants that came into the country, voted for Biden, and then for some reason voted for Trump.

Per counting mail-in ballots, it sounds like Ohio doesn't count until after the polls close (like Pennsylvania). But I believe Florida (and likely some other states) do count mail-ins in the weeks leading up to election day. Don't know how they reconcile for the issue of possible double voting, but Florida is well-known for being able to report its results very early election night. After the hanging chad fiasco, it cleaned up its act.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Again, we have election integrity. But we also have people who are intentionally sowing doubt using misleading information about whether we have election integrity. Misinformation is not a good reason to change something that is already working.

Keep repeating that over and over to the 83% of Americans who want this to happen and let us know how that goes.

[Northwestcoug]

I have done mail-in voting for over 10-years. I started doing this because I work the polls. I have loved the convenience of it ever since.

Newsflash: Mail-in ballots are not counted till after Election Day. They are held and cross-checked to ensure no one showed up at the polls and voted in your place. At which point the vote becomes canceled. So, essentially, the election is called well before the official count which includes the mail-in ballots. Rarely do they hold a results to count the mail-in ballots.

Now if you go the a polling place to early vote. Those count and the day of the election, all polls are given a update roster which includes all of those who have done early voting in case someone shows up to try and cast a vote for you again. Those early voters are crossed out and you cannot vote. I have run into a situation where a person showed up, saw he voted early and said he did not. Refused to leave u til he was allowed to vote. He voted provisionally, and those get places with all the other mail-in votes to be reviewed after election night at the board of elections. They investigate those situations..

This nationalization of elections is a terrible idea. Leave it where it is.

I will be honest, the numbers from the previous election where 20 million voters came out to vote from the previous election or any election draws a critical eye. But turnout in 2024!was similar but does leave me to wonder. What causes that huge increase.

2012: 129.1 million
2016: 136.8 million
2020: 158.4 million
2024: 156.3 million

So there's a process to make sure those who are registered to vote get those counted, as well as preventing fraud. Sounds like it's doing it's intended job.

This isn't just directed to you, but I seriously want to understand how those who support some change in voter ID laws will affect mail-in voting. Because the popularity and ease of it are not going away.

[Flystripper]

No matter how loud maga republicans shout that there is rampant voter fraud, the fact remains that there is zero evidence that it exists in any meaningful way. This stuff has been litigated ad nauseum and decided. Placing an additional hurdle to vote will result in fewer people voting either because of inconvenience or inability to overcome the hurdle. You have to ask yourself, which political party desires fewer people casting their vote? This is about finding ways to hold on to power and not actual risks that undocumented immigrants are tipping elections.

That being said, if I had to choose between voter ID and Trump placing ICE agents at polling locations, I would obviously choose voter ID as ICE showing up in force at polling locations will result in an even greater deterrent to voting. Neither are necessary. If you are going to require ID for the mid-terms, the law would already need to be in place to give plenty of time to comply. The longer they wait the more disenfranchising the result will be.

[myboynoah]

Again, we have election integrity. But we also have people who are intentionally sowing doubt using misleading information about whether we have election integrity. Misinformation is not a good reason to change something that is already working.

Agreed. The MAGA strategy is to sow discord and uncertainty about elections, even though it has never brought forward credible evidence that voting irregularities (like undocumented immigrants flooding the polls) have had any effect on an election. So this is all posturing. I still have questions about this being federal overreach.

All that said, this is a political loser for dems. IMO they need to accept that some form of voter ID law will pass and try to make it as palatable as possible. And also make sure that its voter base is adequately registered and able to vote.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Agreed. The MAGA strategy is to sow discord and uncertainty about elections, even though it has never brought forward credible evidence that voting irregularities (like undocumented immigrants flooding the polls) have had any effect on an election. So this is all posturing. I still have questions about this being federal overreach.

All that said, this is a political loser for dems. IMO they need to accept that some form of voter ID law will pass and try to make it as palatable as possible. And also make sure that its voter base is adequately registered and able to vote.

I believe you, DH, and I are of one mind on this. I don’t strongly oppose voter id, although I suspect any increase in election integrity will be minimal and other issues will arise. I also think or nation has suppressed far more eligible voters than it has permitted ineligible voters.

The biggest election integrity issue, by far, is the loss of confidence in our institutions caused by lies propagated by losers. For example, Trump, Lindell, Giuliani, Powell, and other convicts have done immeasurable damage to that confidence which is one reason support for voter i.d. Is so high.

I just finished visiting the General Patton Museum where the following familiar quote from another authoritarian leader uttered nearly a century ago is displayed: “If you tell a big enough lie and repeat it frequently, it will be believed.”

[Jeff Lebowski]

All that said, this is a political loser for dems. IMO they need to accept that some form of voter ID law will pass and try to make it as palatable as possible. And also make sure that its voter base is adequately registered and able to vote.

Yes, it is a losing position. When you are on the minority side of an issue with 83% support, including >70% of democrats, it is time to swallow your pride and stop making arguments about homeless people getting birth certificates, "it won't make a difference", yada yada.

[Bo Diddley]

I'm curious what an implementation of that law looks like. Can you pass a federal law without having it overturned by the courts? Or do we see a push for states to make the change?

[Moliere]

Yes, it is a losing position. When you are on the minority side of an issue with 83% support, including >70% of democrats, it is time to swallow your pride and stop making arguments about homeless people getting birth certificates, "it won't make a difference", yada yada.

Almost every democracy on earth requires some form of ID for voting. I guess I’d put the onus back on the folks that don’t think voter ID should be required as to why our democracy is different than the rest of the developed world.