Voter ID Question

[The_Tick]

Hey there...so I did a search for Voter ID and the only thing I really came up with was one of Wuap's 28th amendment or something like that.

The common theme on there by those opposing it was that it was basically a poll tax by asking folks to have ID's. I live in Idaho, where they require ID's.

In this day and age, when we have to have an ID for a majority of anything and everything, how do we proceed with this? And with some states issuing ID's to those that may have questionable legal status in the US...is that even enough?

Is it discriminatory to want to only have citizens vote? Most countries/nations require it, some that we even refer to as "3rd world" countries. So I'm curious how we could/should proceed?

I don't like posting graphics and stuff like that, because each side skews those to fit their agenda. I did see one today though that said 83% of R/D's are in favor of requiring identification for voting.

It seems like many things in this country are a mess right now.

[Northwestcoug]

I'm not sure if this addresses what you're interested in Tick, but the SAVE act is being touted as simple 'voter ID'. According to American Progress, it makes voter registration and updating information significantly more difficult:

• The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act would require all American citizens registering to vote or updating their registration information to present documentary proof of citizenship in person. For the vast majority of Americans, this would be a passport or birth certificate.
• Government-issued driver’s licenses—including REAL IDs—as well as military or tribal IDs do not satisfy the bill’s requirements.
• The legislation would invert the responsibility to verify a person’s eligibility and citizenship status from election officials and the government onto every single American citizen, making citizens convince the government that they’re eligible to exercise their right to vote.
• The SAVE Act would change the way all citizens register to vote upon enactment. It would upend online voter registration, make it impossible to mail in a registration application, and eliminate voter registration drives.

This would significantly alter online voting registration and updating, which 42 states utilize.

About half of American citizens have a passport.

https://www.americanprogress.org/art...iew-and-facts/

[Donuthole]

Generally speaking, I would have no problem with a requirement that someone show their ID to vote. That said, the need for that operates on the assumption that there is significant voter fraud. The republicans had their best chance ever to prove that, and they failed. Woefully. So no. On principle, at this point. Because inevitably, some people who are registered now would end up not able to vote for some reason or another, and that is worse than the minimal fraud that may occur.

[Moliere]

I'm not sure if this addresses what you're interested in Tick, but the SAVE act is being touted as simple 'voter ID'. According to American Progress, it makes voter registration and updating information significantly more difficult:



This would significantly alter online voting registration and updating, which 42 states utilize.

About half of American citizens have a passport.

https://www.americanprogress.org/art...iew-and-facts/

All American citizens have a birth certificate or access to one

[Moliere]

Also, to be employed by a company (at least in Texas) you have to provide ID that is similar. I usually show my passport on the first day of a job but you can also use a SS card or birth certificate along with a government ID.

[frank ryan]

All American citizens have a birth certificate or access to one

Not if you lost it in a fire, a move, or are homeless.

if you lose your ID and you Birth Certificate; it's a nightmare scenario.

[Moliere]

Not if you lost it in a fire, a move, or are homeless.

if you lose your ID and you Birth Certificate; it's a nightmare scenario.

We requested a birth certificate for my son back in December. It took two weeks to arrive and I think it cost less than $10. We ordered it all online and it was super easy.

[Northwestcoug]

All American citizens have a birth certificate or access to one

Sure. But the intent of the bill is to make online registration and personal information updating difficult. All to make voting more difficult.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I don't care much either way, but what problem, of material significance, would a voter i.d. requirement solve?

[Shaka]

Not if you lost it in a fire, a move, or are homeless.

if you lose your ID and you Birth Certificate; it's a nightmare scenario.

Then they should probably get to work and start fixing the issue if they want to vote.

[frank ryan]

We requested a birth certificate for my son back in December. It took two weeks to arrive and I think it cost less than $10. We ordered it all online and it was super easy.

Might have to do with him being a minor?, but if you don't have an ID and you need a replacement BC, it can be quite cumbersome.

[Shaka]

I don't care much either way, but what problem, of material significance, would a voter i.d. requirement solve?

Hopefully prevent some of the post-election weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth that have been prevalent on both sides.

I think it's the bare minimum to have a modicum of election integrity.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I have come full circle on this. One reason to implement photo id for voting is it takes one big element of doubt off the table for a lot of people. Seems like it should be fairly easy to implement.

Also, it has overwhelming public support:

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[Moliere]

Might have to do with him being a minor?, but if you don't have an ID and you need a replacement BC, it can be quite cumbersome.

He wasn’t a minor. He was 18. It was super simple and easy. If you don’t have an ID I’m sure it would be tougher, but let’s don’t pretend that getting a BC is some booby-trapped process that only few can navigate.

[Moliere]

I don't care much either way, but what problem, of material significance, would a voter i.d. requirement solve?

The risk of non-citizens voting. Just because it hasn’t been a material problem in the past doesn’t mean the risk isn’t higher now than ever before. We have over 10 million new non-citizens in the country over the past five years, so clearly the risk is much higher than it’s ever been. Every good risk management person knows that a good preventive control is better than a great detective control.