Voter ID Question

[Bo Diddley]

lol. They look at butts.

It's not voyerism--it's verification.

[YOhio]

Just have TSA do all the backend verification those pervs would love it.

[myboynoah]

There is so much disinformation and hyperbole out there, plus the Senate still gets a chance to make changes, that it's unclear to me what the end product will look like if it can be passed. As with the redistricting push, some moves could backfire/be a benefit depending where on stands.

Are we really going to require all these people to get passports?

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A cautionary tale from Kansas' experience.

Kansas once required voters to prove citizenship. That didn’t work out so well

The law, passed by the state Legislature in 2011 and implemented two years later, ended up blocking the voter registrations of more than 31,000 U.S. citizens who were otherwise eligible to vote. That was 12% of everyone seeking to register in Kansas for the first time. Federal courts ultimately declared the law an unconstitutional burden on voting rights, and it hasn’t been enforced since 2018.

Kansas provides a cautionary tale about how pursuing an election concern that in fact is extremely rare risks disenfranchising a far greater number of people who are legally entitled to vote. The state’s top elections official, Secretary of State Scott Schwab, championed the idea as a legislator and now says states and the federal government shouldn’t touch it.

[Moliere]

Does the save act require you to show a passport to vote?

[chrisrenrut]

Does the save act require you to show a passport to vote?

To vote, it is only a government issued photo ID.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-...38338E532C9509

To register requires proof of citizenship, and all names must match. Note that most state’s Real ID’s don’t include proof of citizenship, so most states’ DLs don’t meet the requirements, meaning that passports or birth certificates would be required.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-...7CD4FEBA5EB7DF

[myboynoah]

To vote, it is only a government issued photo ID.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-...38338E532C9509

To register requires proof of citizenship, and all names must match. Note that most state’s Real ID’s don’t include proof of citizenship, so most states’ DLs don’t meet the requirements, meaning that passports or birth certificates would be required.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-...7CD4FEBA5EB7DF

Dumb question, how does one verify the authenticity of a birth certificate, and who does the verification? Seems like that cold be forged pretty easily.

Another question, will I need to re-register, even though I've gone through this process once already when I got a driver license and registered in Utah a couple of years ago? Or is that TBD?

[Bo Diddley]

Dumb question, how does one verify the authenticity of a birth certificate, and who does the verification? Seems like that cold be forged pretty easily.

My guess is they're checking against online databases, making them simply a backup for just in case the database isn't 100% accurate. Then there's likely some process for adjudacting a mismatch.

[Northwestcoug]

Dumb question, how does one verify the authenticity of a birth certificate, and who does the verification? Seems like that cold be forged pretty easily.

Another question, will I need to re-register, even though I've gone through this process once already when I got a driver license and registered in Utah a couple of years ago? Or is that TBD?

verifying birth certificates is going to be a shitshow. Some states' birth certificates look more 'official' than others. What about certified copies? How about 2 of my childrens' 'American board abroad' certificates, which probably most officials have never seen?

[myboynoah]

My guess is they're checking against online databases, making them simply a backup for just in case the database isn't 100% accurate. Then there's likely some process for adjudacting a mismatch.

If there is an online database somewhere, why does anyone need to bring in a paper copy? Just check the name and DOB against the database already (which is probably what is currently being done).

Also, isn't Voter ID portrayed as one showing an ID when they show up to the polls? I'm sure that is what 85% of Americans support. This is going way beyond that.

[Moliere]

verifying birth certificates is going to be a shitshow. Some states' birth certificates look more 'official' than others. What about certified copies? How about 2 of my childrens' 'American board abroad' certificates, which probably most officials have never seen?

You already need to prove citizenship to get a passport so the verification process must already exist. If names don’t match because of marriage then you usually have to provide a marriage certificate. I don’t think this will be as hard as people think it will be. It’ll surely disenfranchise a small number of people.

[chrisrenrut]

Dumb question, how does one verify the authenticity of a birth certificate, and who does the verification? Seems like that cold be forged pretty easily.

Another question, will I need to re-register, even though I've gone through this process once already when I got a driver license and registered in Utah a couple of years ago? Or is that TBD?

Life changes may require re-registration. Moving to a different state, name change due to marriage or divorce, etc.

[myboynoah]

Life changes may require re-registration. Moving to a different state, name change due to marriage or divorce, etc.

So if people are already registered, then they are still good go? Then it seems okay.

[chrisrenrut]

So if people are already registered, then they are still good go? Then it seems okay.

For the majority, yes. But young peoplel registring for the first time, or those fitting into the scenarios above could number in the hundreds of thousands each election cycle.

[LVAllen]

You already need to prove citizenship to get a passport so the verification process must already exist. If names don’t match because of marriage then you usually have to provide a marriage certificate. I don’t think this will be as hard as people think it will be. It’ll surely disenfranchise a small number of people.

A 3-4 month voter registration processing time, with potential for 6 month and political bias (See the attacks on gender markers by Trump). What could go wrong?

[frank ryan]

This admin doesn't deserve trust when it comes to this issue.