Official 2026 Midterm Election Thread (If Trump lets us have one! TIC!)
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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There is a difference between identifying hypocrisy and whataboutism.Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
Someone's gotta pull back on the bullshit hypocrisy and point out the same shit happening before while silence was by those proclaiming such evilness now. Pointing this out does not negate or show support to Trump. Show some consistency.. If you're gonna cry foul, where were you then. Not the same party.. Gotcha..
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I am speaking to criminals and I am not speaking directly about MN. However, you say it is a civil matter. Yes, majority of them go through the Immigration courts which is a civil matter. And you state State, City, County law enforcement are not involved. So, when ICE goes looking for illegal immigrants, by law, they are allowed to. Keep in mind, this does not give them the right to do what we have seen which is completely unlawful. But they can look, go to last known addresses and search for illegal immigrants who are here unlawfully (Entered illegally and Illegal Presence). And doing this, we are seeing massive groups of protestors thwarting their job. Encouraged by local politicians but were radio silent when it was under a different Admin.Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
How are you defining criminals in this statement?
it has been proven that Minnesota and Minneapolis are handing convicted criminals who are also undocumented immigrants to ICE.
If you are stating that any undocumented immigrant is a criminal just for being here, you are wrong. Most undocumented immigrants are in violation of civil law, not criminal. And it’s not the state, county, or city police’s normal job or jurisdiction to make immigration arrests.
But to say it is not a crime to be here illegally is not true. It is against federal law. Is a misdemeanor. And re-entering is also against the law and is a felony. If you are here under a visa and that has expired, you're here illegally at that time but are not under any crime. Both cases does allow for deportation and goes through the civil courts for deportation. If you enter here illegally and have re-entered here illegally (Crossing a border not through the proper steps (A border control entry). These are crimes. But, again, they will likely be directed to a civil court as we do not charge them as that puts them in prison, and federal courts etc. Civil removal is cheaper and probably faster (Immigration Courts/Judges) for this specific reason.
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Bullshit.Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
I am speaking to criminals and I am not speaking directly about MN. However, you say it is a civil matter. Yes, majority of them go through the Immigration courts which is a civil matter. And you state State, City, County law enforcement are not involved. So, when ICE goes looking for illegal immigrants, by law, they are allowed to. Keep in mind, this does not give them the right to do what we have seen which is completely unlawful. But they can look, go to last known addresses and search for illegal immigrants who are here unlawfully (Entered illegally and Illegal Presence). And doing this, we are seeing massive groups of protestors thwarting their job. Encouraged by local politicians but were radio silent when it was under a different Admin.
But to say it is not a crime to be here illegally is not true. It is against federal law. Is a misdemeanor. And re-entering is also against the law and is a felony. If you are here under a visa and that has expired, you're here illegally at that time but are not under any crime. Both cases does allow for deportation and goes through the civil courts for deportation. If you enter here illegally and have re-entered here illegally (Crossing a border not through the proper steps (A border control entry). These are crimes. But, again, they will likely be directed to a civil court as we do not charge them as that puts them in prison, and federal courts etc. Civil removal is cheaper and probably faster (Immigration Courts/Judges) for this specific reason.
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Bannon confirms ICE will be outside polling stations. That will have a chilling effect. I think that counts as fucking with the election.
https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-b...-come-november
Let's just, let's put you on notice again. ICE is going to be around the polls in the 2026 midterm elections because we are never again going to allow your business model because — I think Jesse Kelly is right, 20% of the country probably votes for Democrats, you know, the credentialed class and of course the abject poor that they keep on these social welfare programs and never let them off it. That's the Democratic Party base with a handful of oligarchs, the super wealthy, that's who controls the Democratic Party.
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That’s all you got? Exactly what do you disagree with? The fact these sanctuary cities did in fact coordinate and work with ICE agents under previous Adkin and now do not. Sorry. I’ll take the word of a federal agent over some smarts retort of “Bullshit”.Originally posted by originalsocal View Post
Bullshit.
Or maybe you think it is not a crime to be here illegally and are calling bullshit on that.
(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b)Criminal penalties for reentry of certain removed aliensNotwithstanding subsection (a), in the case of any alien described in such subsection—
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whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), such alien shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;
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whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission of an aggravated felony, such alien shall be fined under such title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both;
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who has been excluded from the United States pursuant to section 1225(c) of this title because the alien was excludable under section 1182(a)(3)(B) of this title or who has been removed from the United States pursuant to the provisions of subchapter V, and who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters the United States, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under title 18 and imprisoned for a period of 10 years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.[1] or
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who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231(a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, theUnited States (unless the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien’s reentry) shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.
For the purposes of this subsection, the term “removal” includes any agreement in which an alien stipulates to removal during (or not during) a criminal trial under either Federal orState law.
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As I said, most undocumented immigrants don’t fall under the criminal categories you listed above. Most undocumented immigrants now are those who are overstaying their visa, or are asylum seekers, including those that crossed under Biden.Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
That’s all you got? Exactly what do you disagree with? The fact these sanctuary cities did in fact coordinate and work with ICE agents under previous Adkin and now do not. Sorry. I’ll take the word of a federal agent over some smarts retort of “Bullshit”.
Or maybe you think it is not a crime to be here illegally and are calling bullshit on that.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1326
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I would agree that illegal entries are down significantly in 2025 due to Trump's policies. That is a good thing and what many of us wanted. Stop the open borders and tighten the belt on illegal entry as well as the procedural process of those who come with some form of TPS request. Biden just opened the gates and let those in and reside before they were fully vetted.Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
As I said, most undocumented immigrants don’t fall under the criminal categories you listed above. Most undocumented immigrants now are those who are overstaying their visa, or are asylum seekers, including those that crossed under Biden.
I found this research article to break it down and landed on 14 million unauthorized/illegal immigrants but within that group it says 6 million had "some" form TPS. Which would put the illegal entry at 8 million of the 28 million as illegal entry into the U.S.
Another article places the undocumented/overstays at 40% and the illegal immigrants at 60%, which would counter your opinion of the majority being undocumented immigrants.Unauthorized immigrants are those without full legal status. As of 2023, this population hit a new record high of 14 million. Within this group, about 6 million (or a little more than 40%) had some form of temporary protection from deportation, with some also having a permit to work in the U.S.
Among the unauthorized immigrants with some deportation protections were 2.6 million asylum applicants; 700,000 people who entered the U.S. legally after receiving parole; 700,000 victims of crime and violence; 650,000 people with Temporary Protected Status (TPS), a program available to immigrants from countries facing war, natural disasters and other crises; and 600,000 immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children and are enrolled in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
The share of people becoming undocumented immigrants in the United States not by illegally crossing a border, but by overstaying their visas was almost 40 percent of estimated new undocumented immigrants in the fiscal year 2023. While an estimated 860,000 new undocumented arrivals were created due to illegal border crossings that year, more than 510,000 people overstayed their visas. This fact has in the past called into question the effectiveness of sealing off borders to curb illegal immigration. During the first Trump term, when the construction of a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border took central stage, the number of overstayers even slightly outnumbered that of illegal crossers. Now, the Trump administration is also attacking on the other front, this weekend warning Indians not to overstay U.S. visas or risk lifetime bans to the country.
This chart shows the number of people entering the U.S. illegally vs. people who overstay their visas in FY 2023.
What I would like to see happen is the immediate stop of these surging ICE operations and go back to the local field agents working to find the criminals and deport them. Create a thorough vetting process of those currently here undocumented/overstay to get fast-tracked to citizenship and not immediately deport these individuals and their families. Illegal immigrants who are not criminals but entered illegally must be deported as well. Yes, this one is difficult as we know this will impact families and children who were born in America. Yet, they ran the risk, came here illegally and we cannot keep allowing this to happen based on circumstances. A policy for these groups could be created to deport the families under the agreement that they return to the states through legal entry and be vetted properly to gain documented immigrants and move towards citizenship. This group can return back to their homes while they are vetted. I also think it should be based on the umber of years residing in the U.S. for this type of agreement.
Sadly, our Politicians have no desire to fix the immigration problem.. It defeats their ability to use it as a hammer for elections..
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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