ICE ICE baby - the immigration thread

[beefytee]

When did the requirement to always have your immigration papers on you come into effect?

Back when I was a student, there was no expectation of me carrying around my student visa with me.

[LVAllen]

When did the requirement to always have your immigration papers on you come into effect?

Back when I was a student, there was no expectation of me carrying around my student visa with me.

Since 1952. The requirement has always been there, it's just that the INS/ICE/CBP have usually had better things to do than to harass random people. That changed on January 20, 2025, when the enforcement of the requirement was deemed a civil and criminal enforcement priority.

INA 264(e), codified as 8 USC 1304(e):

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties

Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

The EO:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...inst-invasion/

[Shaka]

I question this, having lived and traveled pretty extensively abroad. I have only had to present ID at border control and during a traffic stop where I got a speeding ticket. Oh, and one time in Germany (lol). Maybe they were searching for someone.

Even so, that doesn't really matter. This is the United States of America and we have constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure. People should continue to refuse these requests from ICE. They can ask, but people don't need to comply.

A valid driver's license from the USA is good enough in many countries if you want to leave your passport at the hotel. It was fine for South Africa when I was on my mission, although I had my passport in my flat when needed. However, South Africans are required to carry a national ID everywhere they go. If you care to do some research you will find that the requirement to carry ID is common in many countries.

I'm not in favor of US citizens being required to carry ID everywhere, but I am in favor of non-citizens being required to have some sort of national identification that is easily checked for status.

[Northwestcoug]

Much of the Western world requires carrying a compulsory national ID. It's hardly exclusive to old-school commies and fascists.

My anectdotal experience:

I was on a student visa for 4 years in Canada. I am now on a work visa and applying for permanent residency. Outside of border crossings, not once have I been required to carry these documents.

Mrs. NWC was in the US on a student visa for three years, and then a permanent resident for ~15 years. Outside of border crossings and the occasional immigration meeting, not once was she asked to produce it.

It may be a requirement in the US, but having everyone carry their papers would be a significant cultural shift.

[Bo Diddley]

Trying to remember back to my mission is an exercise. That was a long time ago.

In the London South Mission, all our passports were kept in a safe at the mission office. Our US driver's licenses were sufficient for driving and I think using the banks. Mine did expire half way through, and I think I renewed it by mail.

But, per a member who was a Bobby, technically we were required by law to have our passports on us 24/7.

[myboynoah]

A valid driver's license from the USA is good enough in many countries if you want to leave your passport at the hotel. It was fine for South Africa when I was on my mission, although I had my passport in my flat when needed. However, South Africans are required to carry a national ID everywhere they go. If you care to do some research you will find that the requirement to carry ID is common in many countries.

I'm not in favor of US citizens being required to carry ID everywhere, but I am in favor of non-citizens being required to have some sort of national identification that is easily checked for status.

I agree.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I watch a fair amount of cop videos (guilty pleasure). If you are pulled over and don't have your ID with you they ask your name, look up your ID in the database and compare the photo to you. No big deal.

Now if you refuse to cooperate, won't tell your name, won't produce registration, proof of insurance, etc. and claim you are a sovereign citizen not subject the laws of the USA, then you might get your ass tasered and pulled out of the car.

[Shaka]

I watch a fair amount of cop videos (guilty pleasure). If you are pulled over and don't have your ID with you they ask your name, look up your ID in the database and compare the photo to you. No big deal.

Now if you refuse to cooperate, won't tell your name, won't produce registration, proof of insurance, etc. and claim you are a sovereign citizen not subject the laws of the USA, then you might get your ass tasered and pulled out of the car.

We probably watch the same stuff. Audit the Audit and The Civil Rights Lawyer are favs.

[Maximus]

yikes I didn think have your papers at all times was something so easily accepted by some here

no steps away from history

[frank ryan]

yikes I didn think have your papers at all times was something so easily accepted by some here

no steps away from history

Especially when asking you to produce them because you look black or brown or homeless becomes probable cause. The time to push back on this shit isn't when it gets more worse, it was several yesterdays ago.

Let's stop giving MAGA the benefit of the doubt.

[LVAllen]

The professional agitators are wearing CBP uniforms.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZThrPxeoM/

[Moliere]

If only we had secure borders, we likely wouldn’t have any reason, justified or unjustified, to be in this situation. Hopefully we don’t have anymore senile old presidents that let ideological leftist run the administration.

[Maximus]

If only we had secure borders, we likely wouldn’t have any reason, justified or unjustified, to be in this situation. Hopefully we don’t have anymore senile old presidents that let ideological leftist run the administration.

Oh come on. Unsecured borders isn't the cause of trumps immigration policies

[dabrockster]

Oh come on. Unsecured borders isn't the cause of trumps immigration policies

Just roughly 10-million across the border during his time while Obama was 3,5-million and Trump was 2.5-million.

But you are right. That had nothing to do with it.

[Moliere]

Oh come on. Unsecured borders isn't the cause of trumps immigration policies

It’s not the cause, but it gives an excuse to do it. IMO an unjustified excuse.