A Funny Thing Happened on the Way To Jerusalem: Gaza/Israel conflict

[Northwestcoug]

It’s a coding system change with an option for “Other” to then put your religion in. Heaven forbid a Chaplin has to scroll through over 211 religions to find the right one to click for support services he was desigbated to use for that specific event.

GTFO with your pearl clutching. 1st amendment right. WTF are you even saying.

Sounds like something a member of a non-Christian denomination would say!

[Jeff Lebowski]

That's just the dumbest take. Come on, you're better than that. You think chaplains want less information on the various beliefs of the people they are serving? The Armed Force Chaplain Board requested the expansion. It's the Nat-C SecDef who is championing the reduction. And the reason he wants fewer is so that the minority religions' practitioners get to feel like they don't belong. So, yeah. 1st Amendment issue. African Methodist Episcopal, with a long history of military service and chaplains? Gone. Rolled up into something that doesn't really describe their belief system or history. Native American Church? Gone. It's just another Other Religions now.

The expansion happened in 2017. The purpose was to help the chaplains by providing better demographic data so that they just didn't see "Jew," they could tell whether it was Orthodox or Reformed. More data = better decisionmaking and planning. But then, planning takes up time that Kegsbreath thinks should be used for PT.

And so what if some of the categories weren't used? Who cares? It's the servicemember who self-selects where they fit in a category in the first place.

Exactly.

Count me as a "pearl-clutcher" on this one. What a dumb thing to do.

[dabrockster]

That's just the dumbest take. Come on, you're better than that. You think chaplains want less information on the various beliefs of the people they are serving? The Armed Force Chaplain Board requested the expansion. It's the Nat-C SecDef who is championing the reduction. And the reason he wants fewer is so that the minority religions' practitioners get to feel like they don't belong. So, yeah. 1st Amendment issue. African Methodist Episcopal, with a long history of military service and chaplains? Gone. Rolled up into something that doesn't really describe their belief system or history. Native American Church? Gone. It's just another Other Religions now.

The expansion happened in 2017. The purpose was to help the chaplains by providing better demographic data so that they just didn't see "Jew," they could tell whether it was Orthodox or Reformed. More data = better decisionmaking and planning. But then, planning takes up time that Kegsbreath thinks should be used for PT.

And so what if some of the categories weren't used? Who cares? It's the servicemember who self-selects where they fit in a category in the first place.

Disagree. This is Much ado about nothing. The service member selects and the information is provided to the chaplain. Every servicemen’s still has the ability to provide the exact information under “Other” and their religious affiliations This still provides the same data. I tend to believe the Chaplain may use this information for a foundation but is just the beginning when the Chaplain speaks to the serviceman or their family. Roughly 70% of service members are of some Christian faith and roughly 75% provide this information.

I think this is just another thing to bitch about when the serviceman pay no thought to it. I can say at every hospital I have attended and those with a Catholic affiliation, I had to select other and write in my religion on the form. This is just stupid.

[dabrockster]

Brock I do my best to ignore your name calling and bullying but your act is getting old. I've been a lot more accurate with reading the political tea leaves than you. Disagree about issues but drop all this personal anger.

Says the guy who loves to play the victim while picking up his pitchfork. Always the mistreated board member.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Another pear-clutcher.

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[chrisrenrut]

Says the guy who loves to play the victim while picking up his pitchfork. Always the mistreated board member.

Dude, you have Frank Derangement Syndrome.

Also, you are going to take over GM's spot as the double-downer on the board. Based on input from a lot of high profile people, this is more than just "much ado about nothing".

[Jeff Lebowski]

Dude, you have Frank Derangement Syndrome.

Also, you are going to take over GM's spot as the double-downer on the board. Based on input from a lot of high profile people, this is more than just "much ado about nothing".

Haha. Yes. This one issue dominated national discussion on X today. It was remarkable. Everyone seemed to be talking about it. Good grief, Three Year Letterman posted about it 4 times!

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I would watch that.

[Maximus]

Lol

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[Moliere]

Wow. This has really blown up. Learning yet again that baptists/evangelicals/etc really don't like us.

Also, I hate that Mike Lee is a driver of this debate. Ugh...

Every once in a while I’m reminded that there are LDSers that don’t live in the Bible belt and they therefore convince themselves that the Christian community might accept them as equals. It’s an everyday reality for me that I belong to a cult and am going to hell, but thankfully I live in a diverse city where there ar aplenty of other religions that allow me to be actual friends. Christians in the South are some of the least Christian acting people I know.

[Goatnapper'96]

Lol

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I tend to think most people, and LDS folks disproportionately so, care too much what others think of them. If others don't consider LDS folks Christian-well zippety do dah-I don't give much of a shit. However, this is a government categorization and if LDS considers itself Christian Government oughtn't have a category excluding them from that. I am also beginning to understand that in some professions that categorization matters so perhaps all the whiners amongst our people really just aren't a bunch of string pulling pussies.

Saying all that all of us who ever wore the dog tags all have a great and humorous dog tag story so I will start with mine. Right off post at Fort Polk, LA- not sure if it is still called Fort Polk anyhow but the US Army post outside of Leesville, LA, there was a dry cleaner business. As was the custom 25-30 years ago officers had a certain number of their Battle Dress Uniform (bud/fatigues) starched and those where the uniforms we wore when we were in garrison and not out in the woods playing GI Joe. Every month or so I would take 4-5 pairs into this dry cleaner to have them dry cleaned and starched. On the outside window this establishment had a hand written sign which said: "We Make a dog tag!" Yes, it was owned by an immigrant family from Korea. I was in need of an additional set of dog tags-as I think it was mandatory for a deployable unit for every soldier to have two sets or something or another, so I approached the desk and inquired about their "We Make a dog tag!" offer and whether or not it included the mandatory dual dog tags. Upon a favorable resolution that their "We Make a dog tag!" was in fact two dog tags I then ordered a set. When we got to the religious affiliation space a discussion ensued as to my religious choice. I was under the impression we had adequately resolved this until the finished product was handed to me and I then learned I was now a member of the "MORMAN" Church.

Luckily I never was KIA so "MORMAN" never made that exhaustive list the very, very Honorable Hegseth is seeking to streamline.

[frank ryan]

Every once in a while I’m reminded that there are LDSers that don’t live in the Bible belt and they therefore convince themselves that the Christian community might accept them as equals. It’s an everyday reality for me that I belong to a cult and am going to hell, but thankfully I live in a diverse city where there ar aplenty of other religions that allow me to be actual friends. Christians in the South are some of the least Christian acting people I know.

I served a mission on in the Bible Belt. Some of those evangelicals are full on bigots when it comes to Mormons, Muslims, Hindus etc.

[Jeff Lebowski]

McKay Coppins with the best take on the issue.

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[Shaka]

McKay Coppins with the best take on the issue.

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I tend to agree with him. However, the people who treated me the worst on my mission, and it's not even close, were evangelical leaders. Part of me likes pushing back against those pricks.

[BigPiney]

I tend to agree with him. However, the people who treated me the worst on my mission, and it's not even close, were evangelical leaders. Part of me likes pushing back against those pricks.

Why would we want to be in the same group as them? Evangelicals are not nice people.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Correction made:

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