Transgender issues and discussions

[Northwestcoug]

This is not a good look:

An influential doctor and advocate of adolescent gender treatments said she had not published a long-awaited study of puberty-blocking drugs because of the charged American political environment.

The doctor, Johanna Olson-Kennedy, began the study in 2015 as part of a broader, multimillion-dollar federal project on transgender youth. She and colleagues recruited 95 children from across the country and gave them puberty blockers, which stave off the permanent physical changes — like breasts or a deepening voice — that could exacerbate their gender distress, known as dysphoria.

The researchers followed the children for two years to see if the treatments improved their mental health. An older Dutch study had found that puberty blockers improved well-being, results that inspired clinics around the world to regularly prescribe the medications as part of what is now called gender-affirming care.

But the American trial did not find a similar trend, Dr. Olson-Kennedy said in a wide-ranging interview. Puberty blockers did not lead to mental health improvements, she said, most likely because the children were already doing well when the study began.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/s...mid=tw-nytimes

I will say that there are valid reasons to delay publishing studies (original study not sufficiently powered, recruiting more subjects, etc.), but at first blush this smells like advocacy. If that's the case, this can potentially undermine all the work she's done advocating for transgender patients.

I'd also stress we can't read too much into this. It may end up that adolescent transgender care needs revising. But policy decisions shouldn't be made on the sole basis of this study, whenever it gets published.

[Jeff Lebowski]

From a trans woman:

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A lot of trans “leaders” will try to say this election wasn’t about us. This is cope. The Republicans didn’t spend a quarter billion on ads attacking us for no reason.

There is an argument for trans dignity the American people are fine with. “I have a medical condition. It’s my body, let me take HRT and live as I choose.”

But that’s not what we’re doing. We’re insisting we belong in women’s sports. And should self-ID into locker rooms. And rewrite culture to announce your pronouns and ostracize people that fuck up. And we’re making kindergarteners question their gender by having no sense of age-appropriateness.

Our leaders are so convinced they are morally right, they cannot see that most Americans think they are crazy. This election wasn’t just about us, but we were a major factor.

If you love trans people, if you truly care about our rights - help me steer the ship away from the cliff. We are killing ourselves and the country.

[Jeff Lebowski]

By the way, analysts are saying that Trump ad that ran non-stop at the end saying "Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for you." was incredibly effective. In case you missed it, it contained multiple sound bites of Harris promising to provide sex-change surgery to transgender prison inmates.

[Shaka]

I think the transgender issue was a much larger factor than many think.

[Clark Addison]

By the way, analysts are saying that Trump ad that ran non-stop at the end saying "Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for you." was incredibly effective. In case you missed it, it contained multiple sound bites of Harris promising to provide sex-change surgery to transgender prison inmates.

Yeah, I am no expert, but that was what I was going to reply here. I live in NC, so I was carpet-bombed with ads, and that was probably the one that ran the most. I doubt it would have been used so extensively if it weren't effective.

Oh, and here's my claim to fame! One of the people in the ad, the bald one who was arrested a couple of years back for stealing luggage or something? I am 99% sure I was on an airplane with him/her (not trying to be offensive, no idea how he/she identifies) a few weeks back flying into Reagan National.

Fortunately, I only had a backpack.

[falafel]

I think the transgender issue was a much larger factor than many think.

I don't know how big of an issue it was, but regardless I think it was overblown. Trans people aren't converting kids in school like Trump said (your boy coming home a girl! ). Is loser men competing in women's sports the no. 1 issue facing Americans? Of course not. But the left couldn't leave it alone, and it kicked them in the balls.

[frank ryan]

I don't know how big of an issue it was, but regardless I think it was overblown. Trans people aren't converting kids in school like Trump said (your boy coming home a girl! ). Is loser men competing in women's sports the no. 1 issue facing Americans? Of course not. But the left couldn't leave it alone, and it kicked them in the balls.

It was a manufactured issue, but the left took the bait. I don't believe there has an instance of a trans person hiding in a bathroom and assaulting a child, but you'd think it was happening every 5 minutes. They could have articulated a more common-sense take and provided less ammo for the bots and amoral influencers.

The culture war stuff was all Trump had. People were afraid of America not being a white Christian nation. Ironically, Trump is demonstrably anti-Christian and arguably more orange than white.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Not manufactured. Biological males in women’s sport is a big deal. So is medicalizing children.

#1 issue in America? Nobody claimed that. Big enough issue to swing votes? Absolutely.

Shaka is right.

[frank ryan]

Not manufactured. Biological males in women’s sport is a big deal. So is medicalizing children.

#1 issue in America? Nobody claimed that. Big enough issue to swing votes? Absolutely.

Shaka is right.

If it wasn't talked about as nauseam by Matt Walsh, The Daily Wire, PragerU, Jordan Peterson etc, it isn't something that organically would worry a lot of people.

[Uncle Ted]

Not manufactured. Biological males in women’s sport is a big deal. So is medicalizing children.

#1 issue in America? Nobody claimed that. Big enough issue to swing votes? Absolutely.

Shaka is right.

Yeah, and the Dems may be finally getting a clue in their post introspection:

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LOL... Tampon Tim was a great pick to push 85% of Americans to be opposed.

[Maximus]

Not manufactured. Biological males in women’s sport is a big deal. So is medicalizing children.

#1 issue in America? Nobody claimed that. Big enough issue to swing votes? Absolutely.

Shaka is right.

Don't you think your views on this might make you a little biased on this

[Northwestcoug]

By the way, analysts are saying that Trump ad that ran non-stop at the end saying "Kamala is for they/them. Trump is for you." was incredibly effective. In case you missed it, it contained multiple sound bites of Harris promising to provide sex-change surgery to transgender prison inmates.

It was incredibly effective. Short and to the point. And incredibly divisive and demagogic. Trump's specialty.

[Goatnapper'96]

It was incredibly effective. Short and to the point. And incredibly divisive and demagogic. Trump's specialty.

Great campaign issue for branding but not really an issue folks care about. It was the perfect antidote to Harris' "vibes" campaign. Transgenderism issues, specifically the most obvious which is biological boys competing against girls, is obviously absurd to a majority of people, but it really isn't an issue folks care about because it has no impact on their lives- or impacts very few folks' lives. But the absurdity of it speaks to folks on an emotional level and in a campaign based on that-it is effective.

In my postmortem the two policy issues Democrats screwed up were inflation and immigration. WRT inflation the mistake was the failure to recognize it and diagnose it. Biden's admin either ignored it or claimed it wasn't significant- transitory and whatnot responses. This hurt the "I feel your pain" aspect as the President being the Therapist in Chief, and the fact it did exist and was pretty brutal cause folks to question Biden's competency. I don't think Biden was to blame and the reality is there wasn't much Biden could do but his pretending it wasn't real was dumb. That hurt. Immigration is a self-inflicted mistake. As most politicians once the Democrats were elected they basked in the spotlight as they screamed out: "you love me, you really REALLY love me!" Hence, they ran as the anti-Trump and they went and did the anti-Trump thing to stop Trump's border enforcement. In the faculty lounge they became popular as they were rejecting racism, cruelty and who knows what else. Not to mention taking away horses from Border cops because Slave owners in the 1700s traveled by horseback. Then the open border resulted in mass illegal immigration that impacted real communities in this country. This policy was wildly popular in the faculty lounge at Ohio State but not so much in Springfield, OH with electricians and plumbers. So along comes Donald Trump, either the luckiest SOB in history of the world or a true evil genius and master troll, who points out that pet cats and dogs have become a staple of Haitian immigrants diets. Frank Ryan and the Ohio State Faculty lounge fall on the floor in spasms, almost in tears, while they choke through the word "cruel." Poor Van Jones damn near kills himself with concern of those who that makes feel bad. But you know what-to the electricians and plumbers in Springfield, OH what they conclude is that while Donald Trump is batshit crazy- he is at least aware that there really are issues in some communities brought to pass by the inability of the federal government of the US to secure its borders. So they vote for Trump and send Van Jones to his therapist.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Great campaign issue for branding but not really an issue folks care about. It was the perfect antidote to Harris' "vibes" campaign. Transgenderism issues, specifically the most obvious which is biological boys competing against girls, is obviously absurd to a majority of people, but it really isn't an issue folks care about because it has no impact on their lives- or impacts very few folks' lives. But the absurdity of it speaks to folks on an emotional level and in a campaign based on that-it is effective.

Biological males in female sport is something the vast majority of people oppose. Anyone with a daughter in sports has a stake. Everyone said it wouldn't have a real impact. Then we had the trans swimmer win an NCAA title. Then a biological male beat up a bunch of women to win a olympic gold medal. Now we have lots of college volleyball teams forfeiting games with SJSU because they have a biological male on their team that is dominating.

Again, nobody is arguing it is the top issue. But stop kidding yourself that it isn't a big deal.

[Jeff Lebowski]

If it wasn't talked about as nauseam by Matt Walsh, The Daily Wire, PragerU, Jordan Peterson etc, it isn't something that organically would worry a lot of people.

It is exactly this kind of obtuseness that is killing the democratic party.