Transgender issues and discussions

[Jeff Lebowski]

OK, this is interesting. A group of NCAA female athletes have sued the NCAA over what happened with the 2022 NCAA swimming championships where they allowed Lia Thomas to compete claiming that they were deprived of their Title IX rights to fair competition as female athletes.

https://www.thefp.com/p/exclusive-fe...m_medium=email

Over a dozen female athletes are suing the National Collegiate Athletics Association for letting transgender athletes compete against them and use female locker rooms in college sports.

At the center of the class-action lawsuit is Lia Thomas, the trans athlete who dominated the 2022 NCAA Swimming Championships while a student at the University of Pennsylvania. The suit states that both the NCAA and Georgia Tech, which hosted the event, knowingly violated Title IX, the federal statute that guarantees equal opportunity for men and women in college education and sports.

The lawsuit, the first federal action of its kind, seeks to change the rules, rendering any biological males ineligible to compete against female athletes. It demands the NCAA revoke all awards given to trans athletes in women’s competitions and “reassign” them to their female contenders. It also asks for “damages for pain and suffering, mental and emotional distress, suffering and anxiety, expense costs and other damages due to defendants’ wrongful conduct.”

Thomas’s switch to the team also meant a switch in the locker room. The lawsuit accuses the NCAA of “destroying female safe spaces in women’s locker rooms,” in a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment. It claims the association allows “naked men possessing full male genitalia to disrobe in front of non-consenting college women” and creates “situations in which unwilling female college athletes unwittingly or reluctantly exposed their unclad bodies to males, subjecting women to a loss of their constitutional right to bodily privacy.”

[Shaka]

OK, this is interesting. A group of NCAA female athletes have sued the NCAA over what happened with the 2022 NCAA swimming championships where they allowed Lia Thomas to compete claiming that they were deprived of their Title IX rights to fair competition as female athletes.

https://www.thefp.com/p/exclusive-fe...m_medium=email

It's about time.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It's about time.

I think this will be a very difficult case for the NCAA to defend. Given current public sentiment, I have a hard time seeing a jury siding with the NCAA.

[Pelado]

OK, this is interesting. A group of NCAA female athletes have sued the NCAA over what happened with the 2022 NCAA swimming championships where they allowed Lia Thomas to compete claiming that they were deprived of their Title IX rights to fair competition as female athletes.

https://www.thefp.com/p/exclusive-fe...m_medium=email

Couldn't help but chuckle a bit at this line:

The lawsuit...demands the NCAA revoke all awards given to trans athletes in women’s competitions and “reassign” them to their female contenders.

[Maximus]

So a trans kid is billed to death and the states response was to say well we don't want that filth in this state. That's the republican response in said state.

No outrage over the death from the same people who freak out if trans people are in sports?

[Non Sequitur]

So a trans kid is billed to death and the states response was to say well we don't want that filth in this state. That's the republican response in said state.

No outrage over the death from the same people who freak out if trans people are in sports?

Unfortunately the trans kid was a human being and not a fetus, otherwise the republicans would have been a lot more sympathetic.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The UK NHS commissioned a study on gender transition for minors that was recently released.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/h.../final-report/

Some key findings:

The current evidence base suggests that children who present with gender incongruence at a young age are most likely to desist before puberty, although for a small number the incongruence will persist.

The focus on the use of puberty blockers for managing gender-related distress has overshadowed the possibility that other evidence-based treatments may be more effective.

The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.

While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.

For most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.

It has been suggested that hormone treatment reduces the elevated risk of death by suicide in this population, but the evidence found did not support this conclusion.

Seems like this adds to the mounting evidence that medical intervention for minors is a terrible idea.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Another one. There was a recent landmark study published by Dutch researchers where they tracked 2700 children over 15 years, starting at age 11. At the end of the study when they were all adults, 78% said that they had never experienced gender non-contentedness, 19% said that they had experienced it at some point but that it decreased or disappeared as they got older, and only 2% said they had increasing gender non-contentedness. In other words, almost all of them grew out of it.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ong-term-dutc/

[Bo Diddley]

The UK NHS commissioned a study on gender transition for minors that was recently released.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/h.../final-report/

Some key findings:

Seems like this adds to the mounting evidence that medical intervention for minors is a terrible idea.

They were talking about this on Good Morning Britain today. "Extreme care should be taken before anyone transitions before the age of 25." The NHS wants a more holistic approach. The Labor Party says this is a watershed moment.

[Jeff Lebowski]

They were talking about this on Good Morning Britain today. "Extreme care should be taken before anyone transitions before the age of 25." The NHS wants a more holistic approach. The Labor Party says this is a watershed moment.

The trump card that people often play when arguing for early intervention is that we need to do it in order to keep these kids from committing suicide. But more are more research is showing that this narrative is false.

[Bo Diddley]

The trump card that people often play when arguing for early intervention is that we need to do it in order to keep these kids from committing suicide. But more are more research is showing that this narrative is false.

Yeah, they also talked about how polarizing and toxic the debate has been. People will bully others for their position to prevail. Think of the children!

[Bo Diddley]

They also brought on a reporter who has researched the issue and wrote a book. She thinks there's been a silent majority of medical professionals who would agree with the report but have been bullied into being less vocal.

[frank ryan]

Another one. There was a recent landmark study published by Dutch researchers where they tracked 2700 children over 15 years, starting at age 11. At the end of the study when they were all adults, 78% said that they had never experienced gender non-contentedness, 19% said that they had experienced it at some point but that it decreased or disappeared as they got older, and only 2% said they had increasing gender non-contentedness. In other words, almost all of them grew out of it.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ong-term-dutc/

I don't have a lot of coworkers who I could see encouraging kids transitioning.

Kids who struggle with gender identity are at elevated risk of self-harm and suicide. I think the adult population who benefit from transitioning is small but exists.

The current climate does lead to bullying (which is such a euphemistic way of describing abuse by peers), and that matters

[Maximus]

Targeting trans people through legislation , especially kids (which is aside from the debate on if it should happen) has led to increased bullying and assaults an ld suicides so maybe they should focus on the medical research and not creating legislation targeting <1% knowing the increase in suicides and bullying.

[fusnik]

They also brought on a reporter who has researched the issue and wrote a book. She thinks there's been a silent majority of medical professionals who would agree with the report but have been bullied into being less vocal.

Again as the only one here who speaks with a Dr. in the NHS system I was able to speak with this person 30 mins ago about these articles.

They said they’ve never been bullied. Theyve been encouraged to take a long term and methodical approach with children experiencing gender dysphoria. They’ve never experienced any medical professional actively encouraging a child to transition.

As per the Dutch study, it’s interesting to me the conservatives are pushing a study that ‘verifies’ that’s ~2% of kids experience serious and possibly life altering gender dysphoria. Almost as if it’s a real condition!

If only we had a person with millions of followers who could help carve a healthy discourse on how to assist those kids while also helping the 18% of families who have a child that goes through some intense feelings of unease surrounding identity as opposed to pretending they will be arrested if they misgender someone.