2024 Presidential Election Thread

[Omaha 680]

Secret Service pointing the finger at local law enforcement. Saying that Pennsylvania State Police were responsible for securing the buildings outside the security perimeter of the rally grounds. Uh...I'm not sure the "not it!" defense is going to work here.

Secret Service blames local police, says it was tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump's Pa. rally (nypost.com)

There appears to be plenty of blame to go around here and it's clearly a huge Secret Service blunder. But buried in the Post article was this:

Around 6:10 p.m., a local police officer climbed a ladder onto the roof and came face to face with Crooks, who who was pointing his rifle at him, law enforcement sources told the Associated Press.

The officer backed down the ladder, and in those moments, Crooks took aim and fired about eight bullets at the rally. He struck Trump in the ear, fatally struck bystander Corey Comperatore in the audience, and gravely wounded two others in the crowd.

Within moments, Secret Service snipers stationed on a barn rooftop behind the stage fatally shot Crooks. Snipers appeared to have their sights trained in the direction of Crooks before they opened fire on him, though it is unclear whether they had seen him.

If that is true, it's really wild.

[The_Tick]

Being unifying isn't something Trump does. Only one side is expected or implored to be civil. The other gets a pass because Trump will be Trump and the Alex Jones types who are now basically mainstream in the conservative movement don't operate that way.either. It's their whole point not to.

I think you are looking at this through Left Wing blue goggles...Antifa, Pro-Palestine, BLM....at Left Wing uncivility that is promoted and supported by the Democrats. They are not blameless sir.

[SteelBlue]

Fus was right.

[Maximus]

I think you are looking at this through Left Wing blue goggles...Antifa, Pro-Palestine, BLM....at Left Wing uncivility that is promoted and supported by the Democrats. They are not blameless sir.

Antifa was mostly a conservative boogeyman. BLM was mostly peaceful, the most violence was from police officers who shot at random houses when people were on their porch. the hamas and palestinian mix you are right on though.,

[Uncle Ted]

Secret Service pointing the finger at local law enforcement. Saying that Pennsylvania State Police were responsible for securing the buildings outside the security perimeter of the rally grounds. Uh...I'm not sure the "not it!" defense is going to work here.

Secret Service blames local police, says it was tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump's Pa. rally (nypost.com)

There appears to be plenty of blame to go around here and it's clearly a huge Secret Service blunder. But buried in the Post article was this:



If that is true, it's really wild.

The USSS was in charge... so the buck stops with:



Just last week the Dems were asking this guy to resign.

[Bo Diddley]

Secret Service pointing the finger at local law enforcement. Saying that Pennsylvania State Police were responsible for securing the buildings outside the security perimeter of the rally grounds. Uh...I'm not sure the "not it!" defense is going to work here.

Secret Service blames local police, says it was tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump's Pa. rally (nypost.com)

There appears to be plenty of blame to go around here and it's clearly a huge Secret Service blunder. But buried in the Post article was this:



If that is true, it's really wild.

This is nuts. Absolutely nuts.

[Uncle Ted]

This is nuts. Absolutely nuts.

If the USSS tries to blame the local law enforcement they are going to be gutted and heads will be rolling... maybe not until January 20, 2025 but they will be gutted. The USSS snipers clearly had eyes on the shooter/assassin and plenty of time to take him out but for some reason were standing down. This was a massive failure by the USSS and they looked like a bunch of amateurs trying to move Trump, holster their guns, put their sun glasses back on, asking "what are we doing?", etc. This is a huge embarrassment for the USSS.

[Omaha 680]

This is nuts. Absolutely nuts.

I'm a civilian through and through so it's very hard for me to criticize law enforcement or military. I'm not a tough guy that thinks I am braver than people who actually wear the badge or the uniform and put their lives on the line. But when things like the dereliction at Uvalde or this happen, it's hard as a civilian to understand. After all the failures in planning, you actually have the guy cornered on the roof and you back off and let him squeeze off 8 shots?

[BlueK]

I think you are looking at this through Left Wing blue goggles...Antifa, Pro-Palestine, BLM....at Left Wing uncivility that is promoted and supported by the Democrats. They are not blameless sir.

I didn't they say were blameless, only that it is only the left that is expected to tone it down and be civil. There is no call for that from conservative politicians for Trump or the right wing media to do the same. They're already saying Biden ordered it, which is nuts.

[Uncle Ted]

Secret Service pointing the finger at local law enforcement. Saying that Pennsylvania State Police were responsible for securing the buildings outside the security perimeter of the rally grounds. Uh...I'm not sure the "not it!" defense is going to work here.

Secret Service blames local police, says it was tasked with securing properties surrounding Trump's Pa. rally (nypost.com)

There appears to be plenty of blame to go around here and it's clearly a huge Secret Service blunder. But buried in the Post article was this:



If that is true, it's really wild.

So the USSS snipers had eyes on this guy and local law enforcement may have even encountered the shooter before he shot. There had to be radio chatter about all of this in the ears of the USSS agents but no one rushed to Trump to protect him until after the shots were fired. The USSS hasn't messed up so bad since JFK in Dallas.

[Bo Diddley]

I'm a civilian through and through so it's very hard for me to criticize law enforcement or military. I'm not a tough guy that thinks I am braver than people who actually wear the badge or the uniform and put their lives on the line. But when things like the dereliction at Uvalde or this happen, it's hard as a civilian to understand. After all the failures in planning, you actually have the guy cornered on the roof and you back off and let him squeeze off 8 shots?

It's going to be interesting learning the levels of incompetency that were reached.

[Goatnapper'96]

I'm a civilian through and through so it's very hard for me to criticize law enforcement or military. I'm not a tough guy that thinks I am braver than people who actually wear the badge or the uniform and put their lives on the line. But when things like the dereliction at Uvalde or this happen, it's hard as a civilian to understand. After all the failures in planning, you actually have the guy cornered on the roof and you back off and let him squeeze off 8 shots?

Our culture struggles with risk. He probably was looking for his elementary school yardladies to come solve the problem for him.

[USUC]

Antifa was mostly a conservative boogeyman. BLM was mostly peaceful, the most violence was from police officers who shot at random houses when people were on their porch. the hamas and palestinian mix you are right on though.,

[Jeff Lebowski]

Confidence in the government is going to reach an all time low… this was a major screw up and the experts are all confirming it.


Even to the point experts are wondering if the SS snipers’ hesitation was intentional… (“stand down” order was given)


Hillary really messed up this one.

Ha. Yeah, a lot of stupid conspiracy theorists out there. This is red meat. And it is not limited to the right wing. Lots of dumb leftists claiming the whole thing was scripted/staged to give trump a boost. There are so many of them that they are starting to call it "Blue Anon".

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[Jeff Lebowski]

If I'm Trump, I switch my campaign rhetoric up to a more unifying, less militant tone. I think he could lock it up that way.

Prior to this shooting, my sense was that Trump seems to be holding back and listening more to his strategists this time around. Case in point: after the debate, there was so much emphasis on Biden's disastrous performance that it dominated the news, headlines, social media chatter, etc. The old Trump would have dove right with non-stop all-caps tweets/truths/statements, etc, but he just sat back and quietly watched while the democrats ate each other alive. I can't overstate how smart that was and how completely non-Trump-like it was.

Then after the shooting, he says this:

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and prayers yesterday, as it was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening. We will FEAR NOT, but instead remain resilient in our Faith and Defiant in the face of Wickedness. Our love goes out to the other victims and their families. We pray for the recovery of those who were wounded, and hold in our hearts the memory of the citizen who was so horribly killed. In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand United, and show our True Character as Americans, remaining Strong and Determined, and not allowing Evil to Win. I truly love our Country, and love you all, and look forward to speaking to our Great Nation this week from Wisconsin.

A perfect response, and again, completely un-trump-like. Let's see if it lasts (I doubt it), but he certainly appears to be listening to his advisors for a change.